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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by [deleted] »

chasing wrote: post #518
noetic_techy wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

Obama's campaign didn't do what Cambridge Analytica is accused of doing.

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Post by apocolyps6 »

RyanZAG wrote: post #522
matchbok wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Obama did was very, very different. The fact that you don't know this (or ignored it) tells a lot about how biased you are. And yes, there should be backlash against conservatives. They just elected a Nazi in Illinois.

> They just elected a Nazi in Illinois. I know nothing about American politics or what's going on in Illinois. But that you jump straight on calling someone you disagree with a "Nazi", while also saying how different what Obama did with no explanation and a lot of insults, does not give me much confidence in what you are saying here. Just letting you know in case you were trying to convince anyone of your viewpoint.

Here is the first sentence of his wikipedia page.

"Arthur Joseph Jones (born January 1, 1948) is an American neo-Nazi, white nationalist, perennial candidate and Holocaust denier."

What would you call this person in order to be polite?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by wybiral »

noetic_techy wrote: post #500
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

I think it's more that all of these things are gaining traction and people are trying to relate it to Trump.

There's been a growing discussion about data collection and shady advertising practices for a long time. It's not about Trump. And this isn't the first time I've seen distrust raised towards Facebook or Google about this stuff.

The Russian propaganda was mostly divisive messages surrounding things like race / guns. People keep trying to make it about Trump but investigators have been saying that it's more broad the whole time. Regardless of him it's still something we need to investigate.

Anything that seems scandalous or sketchy will probably be tied to Trump by people who don't like him if possible. But the same behavior has been going on for longer than Trump (people tried to accuse Obama of all kinds of stuff, and don't even get started on what people were accusing the Clinton campaign of). It shouldn't distract from the fact that it's scandalous and sketchy and we should keep an eye on these issues.

PS: Get ready to see everything being related back to Trump. All actions of government, law, etc. The positive and the negative. Because that's how this always works. The current administration gets more credit for change than they deserve.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by cloverich »

matchbok wrote: post #516
noetic_techy wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

What Obama did was very, very different. The fact that you don't know this (or ignored it) tells a lot about how biased you are. And yes, there should be backlash against conservatives. They just elected a Nazi in Illinois.

So I'm uninformed on the subject -- what are the differences between what Obama and Trump campaigns did with Facebook?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by Tannic »

simonh wrote: post #445
hycaria wrote: post #402

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I don't put that much data out, but I don't mind being profiled. I like being suggested music that I'm susceptible to like based on other people. I think it's fine if one can infer out of my lifestyle that I would be interested in x or warn for risks of y. What is wrong with it ? I'm probably no statistical anomaly, I don't mind being part of some artificial cluster somewhere, helping having a more accurate portrayal…

I was talking to my daughter about that yesterday. Suppose Facebook knows your interests, taste in music, where you live, what good you like, etc. A political campaign could use that information to tell you that their local candidate shares your interests, lived in the same town, loves the same music, supports the same charity or whatever overlaps with your profile, while knowingly avoiding telling you about things y…

The “Russian interference campaign” is a farce blown up by the same people spying on everyone, to try and manipulate people just like during the McCarthy era. It is the perfect example of old school mass media manipulation the world has been suffering under since tv became the town square. Taking that as an example, we have only begun to see how powerful the mass surveillance networks we all seem to love will become as the decades pass.

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Post by kps »

ctchocula wrote: post #334
kyrra wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google stopped scanning emails 9 months ago[0]. [0] https://blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in...

The exact quote is "Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change." I know they still scan my emails, because airbnb reservations will magically pop up on my calendar.

Information about events, flights, parcel tracking, etc. are explicitly provided by email senders for things like automatic calendar integration by the email client. https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by abiox »

austincheney wrote: post #145
fareesh wrote: post #86

Despite the barrage of negative stories that would have ended nearly every other Presidential campaign - ranging from accusations of racism, misogyny, treason, incompetence, mental instability - despite all of it, tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump. I cannot imagine how utterly frustrating it must be for them to watch the media bounce from story after story in some convoluted attempt to exp…

> tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump. People voted for Trump, but that is hardly an indication of love. Consider that this prior election was between two of the most despised (and possibly incompetent) candidates in US presidential history. If you don't want to repeat this fiasco stop supporting a divisive two party system. Yes, it was the internal mechanics of each party that picked candid…

> stop supporting a divisive two party system

among other things, the voting system itself ("first past the post") tends to encourage a duopoly.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by heedlessly3 »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #321

My extended family is "well distributed", living in three different countries around the world. Facebook has been an essential tool for keeping in touch and keeping track. What do I tell them all to use instead? Migrating to anything else, even if we all agreed, would be a huge pain.

You can use email, groupme, etc..

Facebook is like the roommate you all agreed to have, but then you find out that he's eavesdropping on every conversation and writing down notes. Wouldn't you want to kick him out?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by fzeroracer »

noetic_techy wrote: post #500
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

What Obama did is not nearly the same as what Trump did [1].

Also, it's important to keep in mind that this entire argument about Obama is one diversion perpetuated by Cambridge Analytica. They brought up this idea and it has been bouncing around the more surreptitious parts of the internet as a tactic to avoid criticism. I wonder why a place like CA would attempt to change the conversation?

[1] https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-empl...

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by meri_dian »

pmlnr wrote: post #450
meri_dian wrote: post #69

As has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, the vast majority of people really don't care what data Facebook collects. Addresses, phone numbers, etc are all publicly available already. Products you like, your political affiliations, etc, not a big deal to most people, not because they aren't aware, but because they don't care. So ask yourselves, if the vast majority don't care, perhaps it's not really that big of…

> So ask yourselves, if the vast majority don't care, perhaps it's not really that big of a deal. That's not the question to ask. They question to ask is how do we make them care?

Why should they care? I'll be honest, it doesn't bother me much. Why should I care?
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