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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

swebs wrote: post #462
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

The general public and mainstream media do not really care about big tech companies harvesting personal data and using it for marketing. Every now and then you'd see someone bringing it up in an article of Ars or Popular Science, but they never gained much traction. The difference is now there is an example of it helping Trump. And if you can find any story that puts Trump in a bad light, it's almost guaranteed that…

More than anything it's tied to an existing scandal with Trump-Russian collusion.

If the other scandals weren't there no one would care about this, you are right.

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Post by RyanZAG »

matchbok wrote: post #516
noetic_techy wrote: post #500

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

What Obama did was very, very different. The fact that you don't know this (or ignored it) tells a lot about how biased you are. And yes, there should be backlash against conservatives. They just elected a Nazi in Illinois.

> They just elected a Nazi in Illinois.

I know nothing about American politics or what's going on in Illinois. But that you jump straight on calling someone you disagree with a "Nazi", while also saying how different what Obama did with no explanation and a lot of insults, does not give me much confidence in what you are saying here.

Just letting you know in case you were trying to convince anyone of your viewpoint.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by throwaway5752 »

croon wrote: post #395
nopriorarrests wrote: post #378

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But your opponent is correct. Manafort indictment is about laundering money he made in Ukraine before 2014. It really has nothing to do with him being a campaign manager in 2016. Moreover, I bet this activities as a campaign manager were examined under microscope, and nothing shady was found, otherwise he would be indicted. Lets stay rational and stick to facts.

> Lets stay rational and stick to facts. Sure, let's do that: 1) George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. 2) Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI. 3) Paul Manafort was indicted on conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets, not just money laundering. 4) Rick Gates similar to Manafort, but has taken a plea deal. 5) 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russia…

And let's remember they are not 13 random Russians, either.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by wnevets »

gadders wrote: post #457
wnevets wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CA sold stolen data and bragged about blackmailing politicians. Gonna need a citation of Obama being even remotely involved in something like that. Classic deflection.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5520303/Obama-campai... Story contains tweets from his campaign manager.

The dailymail, really?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by fwdpropaganda »

fareesh wrote: post #86

Despite the barrage of negative stories that would have ended nearly every other Presidential campaign - ranging from accusations of racism, misogyny, treason, incompetence, mental instability - despite all of it, tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump. I cannot imagine how utterly frustrating it must be for them to watch the media bounce from story after story in some convoluted attempt to exp…

> tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump.

Tens of millions of Americans are fucking stupid.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by disease »

intrasight wrote: post #474

For several years, I've been pontificating the somewhat abstract idea that a software app will one day hack the human psyche on a massive scale. And by "hack", I mean to do us harm by tapping into the same pleasure mechanisms as addictive drugs. It never occurred to me until today that perhaps Facebook is this app.

I personally have always viewed Facebook as being in the business of mind control and have said as much to anyone that would listen.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by _jal »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #439
_jal wrote: post #148

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I'm pretty sure that idiots like that will be idiots no matter what advice they stumble over. But I have to say, > Which is a dangerous family of opinions to apply without fully understanding them I get what you're saying, but the point of the advice is that, in a situation to which the advice is applicable, you don't fully understand the implications of anything you may say , so your best play is to clam up and get…

>your best play is to clam up and get a lawyer. // Your best play if you want to waste police time because you for some reason hate society and think helping to make it run smoothly infringes on your rights - because fuck those guys, right, they're not paying you to search for the kid you just saw walking off with Ann Ominous, why should you help. Hyperbole; but I think it illustrates the counterpoint sufficiently.

> they're not paying you to search for the kid you just saw walking

I said, "in a situation to which the advice is applicable". Nobody is saying leave Timmy in the well, they're talking about situations involving being detained or arrested.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by maxerickson »

RyanZAG wrote: post #522
matchbok wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Obama did was very, very different. The fact that you don't know this (or ignored it) tells a lot about how biased you are. And yes, there should be backlash against conservatives. They just elected a Nazi in Illinois.

> They just elected a Nazi in Illinois. I know nothing about American politics or what's going on in Illinois. But that you jump straight on calling someone you disagree with a "Nazi", while also saying how different what Obama did with no explanation and a lot of insults, does not give me much confidence in what you are saying here. Just letting you know in case you were trying to convince anyone of your viewpoint.

No, a literal former leader of the American Nazi Party party ran in an uncontested GOP primary and so will be a candidate in an upcoming election (he will lose, any GOP candidate would lose that particular election). No one is being called a Nazi for the wrong reasons.

I guess the local party would have been smart to put someone else on the ballot, just for the look of things. Really that's the problem with the comment, characterizing the failure of the party to stand up someone respectable as support for the Nazi.

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Post by [deleted] »

noetic_techy wrote: post #500
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spendi…

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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by croon »

wybiral wrote: post #501
croon wrote: post #486

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you saying that hundreds of years of ad business has never worked and the billions upon billions of dollars spent on ads were wasted? Because if you're not, "People did vote for Trump. Without someone twisting their arm." is disingenuous, at best.

All of our arms are being twisted by that standard. And all candidates were using ads. I'm saying that the people voted how they voted without the use of anything that seems outside of the norm. We should investigate these data-driven ad campaigns if they do have that much influence over our democracy. And we should investigate Russian meddling because it looks like there was a divisive propaganda campaign and a bunc…

> All of our arms are being twisted by that standard. And all candidates were using ads.

But there are rules regarding how and how much can be spent on ads.

My initial post was to establish that we agree that ads work, the next issue is to establish whether campaign finance laws were broken, and if spending (foreign or otherwise) were not disclosed.

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