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Crossposting what I said on Twitter: > My contrarian impulse is that I want y'all to stop dunking on Acton for this tweet. (Context: One of the WhatsApp cofounders who sold to Facebook and made lots of money.) People's views change over time and it can take years for a conviction to form and then crystalize. > It's very possible that Acton is burning bridges with that tweet. Don't assume that he loses nothing by spea…

This is true. He could have just sailed off on his social media yacht and laughed at everyone.

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Nothing black box about it. If you send data to a company, they have that data.

Except...there is data that is not explicitly sent. My mum doesn't know what an IP address is and therefore wouldn't know it's used for location tracking.

I guess. If I send a letter requesting information to a company with my return address on the envelope and the company sends back a package, is it so shocking that they have recorded your address at the end of the transaction?

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>I have nothing to hide” - most of the people a pregnant teenager being outed by the store Target, after it mined her purchase data – larger handbags, headache pills, tissues – and sent her a “congratulations” message as marketing, which her unknowing father got instead. Oops! Has this ever been proved or is it just an urban legend? I keep hearing this anecdote but I always thought it was fishy and could easily be ex…

It's not an urban legend, it happened, Andrew Pole was a statistician who worked at Target: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/magazine/shopping-habits.h... About a year after Pole created his pregnancy-prediction model, a man walked into a Target outside Minneapolis and demanded to see the manager. He was clutching coupons that had been sent to his daughter, and he was angry, according to an employee who participated…

Acxiom (and I assume many others too) infers women's menstrual cycles from retail purchases so they know when it is best to send them certain ads. One week its kittens and flowers, the next it'll be an attractive man, etc. This kind of deep data mining has been going on for decades. You voluntarily give this information up when you make purchases with loyalty cards.

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While the criticism directed at social media is certainly warranted. I feel compelled to take exception with your reliance on false equivalence. It's kinda qualitatively different when you're actively engaging in illegal activity while working hand in glove with a clandestine foreign intelligence service to undermine your own countries democratic elections on behalf of an adversarial foreign nation state. If you can'…

> undermine your own countries democratic elections on behalf of an adversarial foreign nation state Citation needed.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

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Funny, I must have missed the Mueller indictments relating to collusion or coordination of any kind (it's coming any day now, though, right?). I've seen a number of process charges. I've seen a handful of Russians charged with, essentially, social media ads and trolling and setting up a Michael Moore rally in NYC. And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest),…

> And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest), but nothing relating to the Trump campaign. Manafort served as Trump's Campaign manager from June 2016 to August 2016, but I guess that has nothing to do with Trump's Campaign. Created an account to attempt to derail this conversation into being about Seth Rich and Hillary Clinton. lol.

Manafort was just a covfefe boy.

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I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Nothing has changed at all as far as I can tell. It's such a media event right now simply because it was taken advantage of by the President to win the election. Anything that can potentially cast Trump in a bad light is bound to get a lot of media attention. This is all ignoring the fact that President Obama used almost the same Facebook app analytics tactics to win his campaign (albeit less deceptively). Regardless…

https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-empl...

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> People didn't give one iota of a fuck when the Snowden revelations came out because they just assumed that it was the case already. It's more complex than that. The tracking and surveillance are not visible to the average person. Point your camera at someone in a coffee shop or bar and take their picture. They'll be coming over to ask you why you took their photo. The fact that the coffee shop or bar is brimming wi…

>The fact that the coffee shop or bar is brimming with overhead cameras is completely lost on them because it is mostly invisible With the coffee shop, it makes sense; the cameras in retail are expected to only be used for review, when some event occurs. No one expects it to be used for data mining and behavioral analysis purposes. And even if it were, the expectation is that this would be for academic purposes; that…

Worst case scenario is that the stored info is taken by someone more malicious and used for anything unintended beyond the original purpose.

The whole point of "less surveillance" is to limit the amount of information stored, because information stored IS the vulnerability.

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It’s a socioeconomic awareness. If you’re worried about food you don’t care. Facebooks 99% are the poorest and least educated. I’ve always wondered why face book, a platform which could unify teachers from mit with the poorest students across the globe has never done shit to do so. They claim to “connect the globe” but the haven’t connected anything. Where is the teacher hosting a class where any single person from f…

> educational foundation Well, that was the original hope with print, radio and TV. So we mostly get scandal sheets, soap operas and reality TV. "What we learn from history is that we don't learn from history", as some wag put it.

I'd like to hear a proposal for how print, radio or tv could have successfully served such an end.

I.e. where enough people watched the content, where the proposal was realistically achievable, and would have been financially viable.

Not saying such a thing is impossible but it sure isn't easy.

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> And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest), but nothing relating to the Trump campaign. Manafort served as Trump's Campaign manager from June 2016 to August 2016, but I guess that has nothing to do with Trump's Campaign. Created an account to attempt to derail this conversation into being about Seth Rich and Hillary Clinton. lol.

But your opponent is correct. Manafort indictment is about laundering money he made in Ukraine before 2014. It really has nothing to do with him being a campaign manager in 2016. Moreover, I bet this activities as a campaign manager were examined under microscope, and nothing shady was found, otherwise he would be indicted. Lets stay rational and stick to facts.

>I bet...

>stick to facts

okay.

FACT: You bet Manafort isn't a traitor.

Bob Mueller would appear to have a different opinion.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download

Guess who my money is on.

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I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Its purely Trump hatred driving this. Because Obama doing this in 2012 = Genius. Trump doing this in 2016 = Scandal. I'm a libertarian and yes I threw my vote away on Gary Johnson, but looking at the media landscape, there truly is a backlash against conservatives going on in social media, and this is just part of that. Donald Trump won because fake news... no wait, it was Russia and their abysmal social media spending... no wait, its because he gamed facebook! They want to put more pressure on facebook to "do something about this" now that the coin has flipped. I have a feeling though this is going to get out of hand and drag facebook into the gutter.
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