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Post by acdha »

propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

One big factor is that Facebook knew about the problem and lied about it for two years. It’s one thing to know that data is mined and another to learn that what should be a trusted third party is actively trying to keep you from learning about abuse.

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

luckydude wrote: post #203

This will get downvoted but whatever. I predicted all of this a decade ago and I refused to be part of it. All my friends laughed at me and said I was crazy. Maybe I am but I don't do all that social media shit because if you don't know where they are making money, they are making it off of you. And that's creepy. I'm willing to pay for value, but I'm not on board with them making money by looking over my shoulder. I…

It's funny seeing the New York Times and others rail against Facebook like this and yet they still don't have the conviction to #deletefacebook. Many of the excuses read like those of drug addicts.

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

pteredactyl wrote: post #379
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #356

Random comment but I see so many people talking about regulation. Why do we want to hold the wolf by the ears here, continuing to use a service that doesn’t respect us while trying to force them to act like they do, when instead we could be advocating the use of user friendly services that truly respect our freedom? Why if Facebook has proven to be focused on things we don’t want (deep profiling), would you think any…

Cynically, it's beyond comprehension or willingness to learn for most. They'd rather complain to the Government than do something about it. Unfortunately, we've found ourselves in this situation. And why people look to the Government as some panacea of trust and integrity is beyond me.

>And why people look to the Government as some panacea of trust and integrity is beyond me.

Blind allegiance to authority and the government is indoctrinated on us from an early age by state mandated school curriculum, the media, implicit fear, and other factors.

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Post by squarefoot »

mysterypie wrote: post #89
walrus01 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The rest 95% either don't know, or could care less even if they know. I've told my non-techie fam and friends about data harvesting, privacy, and how facebook tracks everything, only to be ignored or outright ridiculed ("Oh you techies are so paranoid"). pretty much exactly my experience with Canadian and American family. People didn't give one iota of a fuck when the Snowden revelations came out because they just…

> People didn't give one iota of a fuck when the Snowden revelations came out because they just assumed that it was the case already. It's more complex than that. The tracking and surveillance are not visible to the average person. Point your camera at someone in a coffee shop or bar and take their picture. They'll be coming over to ask you why you took their photo. The fact that the coffee shop or bar is brimming wi…

My local bar has over a half dozen cameras pointed to customers and workers areas. I installed them plus the DVR at owner request, they're perfectly visible and nobody gives a damn (except a couple customers once asking if the devices were also listening and recording audio). Everyone knows the owner doesn't use the data for anything illegal, and one time thanks to cameras we caught a worker who stole food bags to use or sell them elsewhere. Trust does also play a role here.

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Post by mmsimanga »

ianlevesque wrote: post #393
mmsimanga wrote: post #382

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Echoing your statement, "Facebook is the Internet". In Africa most telecoms have special data bundles for Facebook and WhatsApp. Normal data bundles to browse the Internet are just too expensive. A dollar will give you unlimited access to Facebook and WhatsApp for about 2 weeks. I have a few cows back in my village. I have toyed with the idea of creating a cattle monitoring application that would have to make use of…

Sounds like a Messenger bot would work well for that use case actually.

Thanks I will add a note to my list of ideas on my rather long list of todo things.

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Post by croon »

wybiral wrote: post #210
fareesh wrote: post #86

Despite the barrage of negative stories that would have ended nearly every other Presidential campaign - ranging from accusations of racism, misogyny, treason, incompetence, mental instability - despite all of it, tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump. I cannot imagine how utterly frustrating it must be for them to watch the media bounce from story after story in some convoluted attempt to exp…

I do agree, but it's also annoying that people keep using this to try and downplay stories like the Russia investigation and the fact that shady practices are going on at places like Facebook and in our political campaigns. People did vote for Trump. Without someone twisting their arm. But there is still merit to these other stories (even if the perspective that they got Trump elected is false).

Are you saying that hundreds of years of ad business has never worked and the billions upon billions of dollars spent on ads were wasted?

Because if you're not, "People did vote for Trump. Without someone twisting their arm." is disingenuous, at best.

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Post by hodl »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #93
hodl wrote: post #78

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I've not read t but guessing its similar to why you shouldn't speak to police without a lawyer even if "I done nothing wrong". Because you will probably say something they can use against you regardless.

Which is a dangerous family of opinions to apply without fully understanding them, as asking for a lawyer when they’re at your door inquiring about a missing neighborhood kid is probably counterproductive and escalates attention on you unnecessarily. It’s a fine opinion when common sense is involved . I don’t have a problem with the sentiment, just watching people who digest YouTube and shout “where’s your probable c…

I meant if you suspect you are a suspect

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Post by golergka »

Synaesthesia wrote: post #472
golergka wrote: post #385

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Your beliefs are not as important as obligations which you got yourself into. If you want to act on your own accord and don't compromise, then maintain 100% ownership of your company. When you're managing a company that doesn't belong to you completely anymore, you're obliged to act in the best interest of your shareholders.

Yes, within the institutional role, eg as CEO of a company, a person is obliged to make certain decisions. Eg a CEO is obliged to maximize profits for his company, otherwise the shareholders will fire him. So if you’re going to criticize capitalism, you should criticize it as an institution.

> So if you’re going to criticize capitalism, you should criticize it as an institution.

This doesn't have anything to do with capitalism. Any political or economical system that has institutionalized roles will have the same conflicts between duty and personal principles.

And history shows us, in fact, that capitalism has much fewer of such conflicts than any alternative.

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Post by sureaboutthis »

walrus01 wrote: post #12
gnicholas wrote: post #11

If we use Twitter to announce that people should #deletefacebook, what social network do we use in the event that it becomes necessary to #deletetwitter?

you ssh into your own trusted openbsd system, run bitchx and connect to efnet, just like the good lord intended back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth. i am only partially sarcastic here.

An aside and coincidentally, WhatsApp runs on FreeBSD.
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