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Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

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Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

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One year after their IPO? I don't get this. Why didn't they buy it last year paying a premium over the 17 USD a share of their public offering instead of paying a premium over the current 33 USD (or 40 USD I guess)? I don't understand the rationale behind these deals.

Question is why would MuleSoft sell itself if they thought they'd be worth more a year later?

MuleSoft did sell itself; that's what an IPO is.

Presumably, there was a reason.

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

#52

One year after their IPO? I don't get this. Why didn't they buy it last year paying a premium over the 17 USD a share of their public offering instead of paying a premium over the current 33 USD (or 40 USD I guess)? I don't understand the rationale behind these deals.

It's not like going to the super market. And it depends on more factors than price. E.g. Salesforce's competition status plays a role as well, also whatever the current power struggle between different Salesforce managers, etc.

Usually in a big-enough company the least efficient thing happens instead of the most efficient thing. But the advantage of the big company is that it can play bigger games than your average small company. And if a small company succeeds at playing bigger then you can still buy it. So despite what HR and your manager might tell you, efficiency is not as important for survival.

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

#53
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the right business too, and one of the things I've realized is that it's not about building software developers need. It's about building software that people authorized to spend a lot of money think the enterprise needs. It's dazzling to listen the Mulesoft folks talk about experience APIs and system APIs while dragging and dropping stuff. I can see why people would go for it.

At my previous job I had to write code to consume mulesoft APIs. Was miserable project, Mulesoft is literally hot garbage.

Same - I had the unfortune to do a brief contract on a mulesoft mandated project. It was unpleasant to say the least. The UI was also nearly useless, you had to drop to code to do anything meaningful. But the company paid a lot for it, so we had to use it.

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

#54

One year after their IPO? I don't get this. Why didn't they buy it last year paying a premium over the 17 USD a share of their public offering instead of paying a premium over the current 33 USD (or 40 USD I guess)? I don't understand the rationale behind these deals.

Could this be related to the tax law changes?

I was wondering that too. Maybe cash repatriation is at work here?

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the right business and I still don't understand why I'd ever need this kind of software.

I'm in the right business too, and one of the things I've realized is that it's not about building software developers need. It's about building software that people authorized to spend a lot of money think the enterprise needs. It's dazzling to listen the Mulesoft folks talk about experience APIs and system APIs while dragging and dropping stuff. I can see why people would go for it.

It always seemed to me that spring integration got me to the same place but without he ceremony nor the murkiness around whether you would need to pay for anything,

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

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Makes me wonder if we will see a Zapier IPO soon. It's a crowded space, integration as a service, and in need of consolidation. Zapier doesn't have MuleSofts enterprise street cred because IMHO weak B2B marketing, but the infrastructure is there.

I worked with both MuleSoft and Zapier and while Zapier is much easier to use, they only have the basic infrastructure in place. There'a lot more complexity (unnecessary or otherwise) that goes in enterprise integration services.

I don't doubt that Zapier can get there but there is still some way to go even on the infrastructure side.

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Question is why would MuleSoft sell itself if they thought they'd be worth more a year later?

MuleSoft did sell itself; that's what an IPO is. Presumably, there was a reason.

That's not true. An IPO is just that, a public offering, of a small amount of shares to raise capital. Some shareholders cash out some of their position at IPO.

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

#58
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Seems more likely that they want the database connections than the revenue. Everyone in the Salesforce ecosystem is writing Integrations into other platforms and if they make it easier to ingest data in Salesforce and keep you there it will be more sticky.

As someone who just finished a custom caching solution for Salesforce-backed data I couldn't agree more. There are a number of solutions out there that attempt to mirror salesforce to i.e. Postgres, but they are expensive. Plenty of people want to leave Salesforce but are caught in by the cost of exfiltration. That said Salesforce isn't THAT bad. There are plenty of edge cases, dark spots in documentation, shitty pri…

Salesforce deserve a lot of credit for staying online for 15 years or so while upgrading and expanding the platform every six months, while minimising breakage to customers' customisations. Imagine how most projects would look if you tried that, the developers would usually want to scrap it and re-write after 18 months or so.

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the right business and I still don't understand why I'd ever need this kind of software.

Well, the promise is a kind of drag-and-drop [1], mix-and-match [2], transform these data fields this way, make a decision off of these other data fields, and ship it there kind of integration. Extra points for having a Store for others' components [3], and optionally doing it in the Cloud [4]. Their site has been tailored to convert executive-types on every buzzword, from Microservices [5] to DevOps [6] to Mobile [7…

it's hard to understand how this actually gets used for those of us not in enterprise IT. would be great to see an example of a real project using Mule (or similar products).

Re: Salesforce is buying MuleSoft at enterprise value of $6.5B

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in the right business and I still don't understand why I'd ever need this kind of software.

I'm in the right business too, and one of the things I've realized is that it's not about building software developers need. It's about building software that people authorized to spend a lot of money think the enterprise needs. It's dazzling to listen the Mulesoft folks talk about experience APIs and system APIs while dragging and dropping stuff. I can see why people would go for it.

I'm in the right business and Mulesoft hits the mark when your star devs leave and you're left with maintenance staff because it constrains the degree of complexity in the initial implementation.

Obviously nothing that could not be done with a bunch of decent Python devs, but that is not sustainable in the long term for most enterprise business models.

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