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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by tree_of_item »

dingo_bat wrote: post #157
tree_of_item wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you just not paying attention to the Mueller investigation? There's like five guilty pleas by now. Is that just a nothing burger? Seriously, what do you think that's all about? If you want a timeline of events you can go here[0] or here[1], but something tells me you won't accept these... [0]: https://www.politico.com/trump-russia-ties-scandal-guide/tim... [1]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018…

Can you spell it out? How did Russia "hack" the election? Please try to be specific. If I wanted random news stories, I'd google them.

Can you read? Those lists are very detailed and deal exclusively with this topic.

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Post by andrepd »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #150
aptwebapps wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The election was won by a very slim margin. The core of Trump's support may have been with him regardless but they weren't enough to win. It's the actions on the margin that matter here. Also, as other's have pointed out, there are a lot of other problems with social media in general and Facebook in particular. Russian meddling in the election is the spark that is lighting the fire but the fuel was already there. (Th…

It's the actions on the margin that matter here. Just think of what this whole story (Foreign meddling) says about these marginal voters in that case: That they were so easily swayed, that they decided to vote ostensibly against their own better judgement simply by being shown a series of ads to influence their emotions. Something is very wrong with voter education if it's that easy to sway a certain influential popu…

I always love people who tout the "how could those feeble minded simpletons be so easily swindled; I would never fall for that" slogan.

Have you considered it might be happening to you, right now? How would you tell, if by definition we are talking about pressing unconscious psychological buttons?

You may be very well educated, but you've never the less the same monkey brain as everyone on this earth.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by luckydude »

This will get downvoted but whatever. I predicted all of this a decade ago and I refused to be part of it. All my friends laughed at me and said I was crazy.

Maybe I am but I don't do all that social media shit because if you don't know where they are making money, they are making it off of you.

And that's creepy. I'm willing to pay for value, but I'm not on board with them making money by looking over my shoulder. It's not about me doing something illegal, I don't do that, I'm fine, it's just creepy.

That social media stuff is like dopamine, feels good, but is not good for you.

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Post by noarchy »

criddell wrote: post #83
axd wrote: post #77

If this isn't the opportunity for Diaspora* to become a thing in the public's mind, I don't know what is. We have to use this in order to move to a better platform for social media.

Diaspora is a non-starter. Look at their getting started page. Step one - choose a pod. You just lost 90% of the people that might be interested. They need to get rid of that step.

This would likewise affect Mastodon. One of its arguable strengths is also a weakness, in that regard.

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Post by fareesh »

abalone wrote: post #178
fareesh wrote: post #86

Despite the barrage of negative stories that would have ended nearly every other Presidential campaign - ranging from accusations of racism, misogyny, treason, incompetence, mental instability - despite all of it, tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump. I cannot imagine how utterly frustrating it must be for them to watch the media bounce from story after story in some convoluted attempt to exp…

#deletefacebook is not about "conspiracy theories". It's because their personal data was exploited to aid the election of someone they hate. Whether it actually moved the needle enough to elect Trump is open to debate, but that's not a "conspiracy theory". Even the very idea that their personal data can be exploited this way, against their will, via friends who were tricked, is unsettling. That's more than just being…

Which is my point I guess - Facebook apps have had much more intrusive access to user data in the past. The only reason people care now is political.

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Post by matthewwiese »

fareesh wrote: post #86

Despite the barrage of negative stories that would have ended nearly every other Presidential campaign - ranging from accusations of racism, misogyny, treason, incompetence, mental instability - despite all of it, tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump. I cannot imagine how utterly frustrating it must be for them to watch the media bounce from story after story in some convoluted attempt to exp…

Well said. No matter the influence of Russians nor widespread manipulation by Cambridge Analytica, the reality is that people chose to believe these things without their own personal endeavor into critical inquiry. And I'm not talking about that white working class "base" that people like to attribute as Trump's secret weapon.

I know plenty of people, truly well meaning individuals, who are not the dumb animals most outlets like to paint the Trump supporters as. They were just conned into it all, and I'm sure shady Facebook ads had a hand in it, but ultimately it was just trusting people suckered in by a television personality (or character, even).

If this election is the spark that eventually instills a sense of proper analytical reasoning skills in the United States at large, then I'll be satisified. And I say this as a person who, if I could vote in this country, would certainly have not have entertained the idea of Donald Trump at all.

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Post by dingo_bat »

tree_of_item wrote: post #201
dingo_bat wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you spell it out? How did Russia "hack" the election? Please try to be specific. If I wanted random news stories, I'd google them.

Can you read? Those lists are very detailed and deal exclusively with this topic.

I have read and didn't find anything concrete. That's why I asked. No need to be rude.

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Post by dwaltrip »

fzeroracer wrote: post #179
fareesh wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) What makes you think I am from the woodwork? 2) Can you recall a time when a Facebook privacy story ever received so much media and government interest? There was a time when apps would blindly request a bunch of permissions. Users would blindly accept them. Devs would store tokens in the database. One shoddy exploit later on the application and an attacker had all their photos, friends' photos, and could post and…

Because I've noticed in many of these threads about Facebook there is constant whataboutism relating to Obama and a constant attempt to deflect discussion away from the actual contents of the article. You've been making the unsubstantiated argument that the only reason people care about Facebook nowadays is because they're sore losers. If you're going to make a wide-reaching claim like that, I would love some citatio…

I'm really torn in how to respond to claims of whataboutism.

On one hand, if something is simply business as usual, despite any misconceptions otherwise, then cries of whataboutism can be a bit misplaced.

On the other hand, if some sort of tide has shifted, and business as usual can become business of the past, then I think dismissing similar past offenses from others could make sense.

I have hard time attempting to evaluate this, to say the least...

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Post by drawkbox »

fareesh wrote: post #184
drawkbox wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> from the tens of millions who feel wronged and cheated by electoral results that they lost fair and square. Are you not doing as exactly as you are highlighting? If there were underlying forces at work that were foreign would that not mean it wasn't fair and square? Citizens United vs FEC[1] unfortunate decision in 2011 led to infusions of foreign funds[2] that outnumber what US citizens are legally allowed to cont…

The winning candidate spent significantly less money in this instance. Also I tend to agree with Citizens United. Unions and Corporations should be allowed to express their views on a candidate. If there is someone running for office and making a BS claim about steel workers, I would want steelworkers unions to have the right to advertise and inform me that it is BS. Also if you get into issue based stuff, it becomes…

> The winning candidate spent significantly less money in this instance.

Possibly, or political systems are ripe for misdirecting where funds originate now.

> Unions and Corporations should be allowed to express their views on a candidate.

Totally agree, the problem becomes when those are shell corporations or money funneled via foreign entities.

I am sure any sovereign nation would not want the majority of the money influencing their own people's choices from external sources to the country.

It just wouldn't be best for quality of life and making sure what is done is right for the country if the actual citizens have less say in the direction of it. So much money is in now that targeting and manipulation of votes from foreign wealth is the absolute norm, that is poisoning democracy and freedom, the very thing we want to protect and are sworn to uphold.

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Post by wybiral »

fareesh wrote: post #86

Despite the barrage of negative stories that would have ended nearly every other Presidential campaign - ranging from accusations of racism, misogyny, treason, incompetence, mental instability - despite all of it, tens of millions of Americans absolutely love President Trump. I cannot imagine how utterly frustrating it must be for them to watch the media bounce from story after story in some convoluted attempt to exp…

I do agree, but it's also annoying that people keep using this to try and downplay stories like the Russia investigation and the fact that shady practices are going on at places like Facebook and in our political campaigns.

People did vote for Trump. Without someone twisting their arm.

But there is still merit to these other stories (even if the perspective that they got Trump elected is false).

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