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Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by jimmy1 »

ramphastidae wrote: post #51
justboxing wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We've knows Facebook tracks everything Not disputing this, but when you say 'we' I think you mean the The rest 95% either don't know, or could care less even if they know. I've told my non-techie fam and friends about data harvesting, privacy, and how facebook tracks everything, only to be ignored or outright ridiculed ("Oh you techies are so paranoid"). Many of my friends in India (where I was raised) and elsewher…

Yep. I’ve been explaining this stuff to friends for years. Even the most intelligent and rational dismiss it as paranoia or say, “I don’t care, I have nothing to hide anyway.”

Daniel Solove eloquently states the problems with the "I have nothing to hide" argument in this famous paper now turned book https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=...

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by rhcom2 »

spacehome wrote: post #70
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

> Regulations Is more government the solution to every problem? Just let people make their choice of whether the product Facebook offers is worth the privacy tradeoff.

What if you can't judge the privacy tradeoff because it's a complete black box?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by LarryDarrell »

propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

Sometimes everything is OK until it isn't. Critical Mass can take awhile to build.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by avree »

isostatic wrote: post #16

Jan Koum Is entertaining. He was a frequent flyer and wanted to build an app that could tell people what time zone the person they are talking to was in, that they were on a flight, etc He posted on flyertalk about it and got a "meh, you have to install something? Why bother?" response 5 years later, as a frequent flyer he was into collecting miles and using them on tickets, and he had managed to get business class f…

I think you're reading a lot into the single response he got.

For anyone who doesn't want to click through, the reply said:

"It appears that this requires the other party to also have the app installed, right?"

There's nothing that could be even remotely translated to "why bother" or "meh" in the response. It's a simple question.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by germinalphrase »

spacehome wrote: post #70
propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

> Regulations Is more government the solution to every problem? Just let people make their choice of whether the product Facebook offers is worth the privacy tradeoff.

My mother/family/friends are not even aware there is a trade off. They only privacy 'problem' they know about is accidentally posting something personal in the wrong spot. There's no understanding of the extensive data collection, connection, and trade that's happening behind the scenes.

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Post by rdtsc »

odammit wrote: post #42

Will deleting Facebook actually remove your data though? I’ve deleted mine a few times and then inevitably have had to use OAuth for some random site I’d auth’d to and lo-and-behold it works and all my data is back. Last time I went through that flow was maybe a year ago. I always assumed they did some sort of paranoid delete or “anonymized” the data.

I never signed up for it and they probably have a profile on me simply because of the connections to people who have FB. That always creeped me out. Wonder if there is something in the GDPR legislation to get all the info they have on me and make them erase it.

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Post by hodl »

jimmy1 wrote: post #71
ramphastidae wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. I’ve been explaining this stuff to friends for years. Even the most intelligent and rational dismiss it as paranoia or say, “I don’t care, I have nothing to hide anyway.”

Daniel Solove eloquently states the problems with the "I have nothing to hide" argument in this famous paper now turned book https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=...

I've not read t but guessing its similar to why you shouldn't speak to police without a lawyer even if "I done nothing wrong". Because you will probably say something they can use against you regardless.

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by earenndil »

untog wrote: post #66
HenryBemis wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google absolutely harvests all info they can get. They scan gmails, they monitorig everything on all Android phones, even when you disable something [1]. It's just that Google maybe be a bit hesitant to sell data to 3rd parties, since they abuse them themselves :) (and this is the price of a 'free' service). [1]: https://gadgets.ndtv.com/apps/news/google-tracking-user-loca...

> It's just that Google maybe be a bit hesitant to sell data to 3rd parties Which is the entire point. I know Google is taking data when I use Google products. The problem arises when Google freely gives my data to a random third party company I neither know nor trust, without my knowledge.

Why is it better that google has your data than that another company has your data?

Re: WhatsApp co-founder tells everyone to delete Facebook

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Post by kbos87 »

propman wrote: post #26

I don't get what changed? We've knows Facebook tracks everything, we've known Google does the same thing. If you've ever developed anything in messenger even today, it's amazing how much information is given. We know all these sites track everything you do outside of Facebook too. Everyone has been trying to get them to stop, we know it's illegal to build a profile on someone but Facebook gets around that by building…

I think the mistake is assuming that time that passes means people are ok with a certain amount of sharing, that it’s a safe investment, whether in cash or in investment in building on their platform or with their data. The reality is that we all know that what Facebook does is unsavory. When the privacy concerns eclipse the Value, whether its in year 11 or year 111, the wrath of society will be severe, as it should be.
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