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Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Re: Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Post by swyx »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #121

There's at least two other trends that are, IMO, more to blame. SUVs in general for one, and the proliferation of particular mixed-use road antipattern. SUVs is an easy one. When an SUV hits a bicyclist, motorcyclist, or pedestrian, the unfortunate person tends to go through rather than the over they'd be subjected to by a sedan. Motorcycle accident stats bear this out - the overall accident rate has gone down as peo…

how are SUVs even remotely related here? makes the rest of your argument difficult to take seriously

Re: Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Post by agumonkey »

mirimir wrote: post #79
danso wrote: post #44

The NYT just published a graphic that purports to show the location of the vehicle and the victim: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/20/us/self-drivi... This is the first report I've seen that indicates the Uber AV was in the right lane. Remember that the victim was crossing from left to right, and that all of the visible damage on the AV is on the right-side bumper. It's very hard to imagine a scenario in…

Right, so now she's crossing three lanes. So that's about 9 meters. At 1-3 meters per second for her, and 17 meters/second for the Uber SUV, it should have seen her 3-9 seconds (50-150 meters) before impact. That's a pretty clear fail. I wonder what the Uber's field of view is. At what distance should it have detected stuff about 9 meters off track? But she did likely walk out from landscaping. So perhaps she initial…

My uncle bought a car with some proximity sensor, basic thing for walls during parking. He, like many, was annoyed at the regular bips etc.

I'm sure a system that warns more for the sake of cautiousness would be rejected by people.

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Post by notatoad »

yazaddaruvala wrote: post #124
sudeepj wrote: post #17

I cannot imagine the detailed logging the engineers might have to do in such a system. When I code I wonder sometimes if I am logging unnecessary events at info level. This led to one more question. Do driverless cars have (or will have) a black box like that of aeroplane?

What we really need is for all of the logs from a company like Uber or Google to get streamed to some third party. All of the logs are encrypted (with different keys), and only when an issue occurs, the company who owns the data gives the key for that particular car at that particular hour for decryption. Basically a data-escrow. This way we know the logs are not being tampered with, and we keep the data hidden from…

These are test vehicles. If you don't let the engineers have access to the results of their testing except in the event of an accident, then we will never have autonomous cars.

Of course, maybe thats what you're arguing for. But either way, I think it's a bad idea.

Re: Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Post by bfuller »

to3m wrote: post #165
grzm wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

pedestrian

Yes, sorry for being unclear. I'm English, so I tend towards the mealy-mouthed. What I'm trying to say is that sushisource is being a cunt for dehumanizing the person that was killed.

lol seems like your sense of humor is not being well received here

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Post by hndamien »

hndamien wrote: post #102
hndamien wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"breaking" implies it was "working" in the first place.

Wow, tough crowd. Is this on? `tap`, `tap`, `tap`

So 3 HN readers walk into a bar. The first guy says "I'll have a larger". The second HN reader says, "You actually mean a "lager", "larger" would mean a bigger drink". The third HN reader sees the raging alcoholic and the grammar police and the comedy judges and says "Make sure you get a safe ride home, but not in an autonomous Uber, because apparently "Working" includes running over pedestrians. Alternatively, just stay here and sober up after your excessively large pint. It is comedy night tonight; but seriously the humour is F- at best."

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Post by notatoad »

ksk wrote: post #75

Self-driving cars are still a fantasy. I don't want the AI to be comparable to an average driver (who collectively get into 6 million accidents) . I want the AI to meet/exceed the skills of the best driver. There is no way anyone would trust an "average" driver to pickup their kids, more than themselves.

The average driver is pretty terrible though. Average is a pretty low bar to clear, and I think there's a decent argument to be made that waymo's disengagement numbers are already better than an average driver.

Re: Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Post by to3m »

bfuller wrote: post #204
to3m wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, sorry for being unclear. I'm English, so I tend towards the mealy-mouthed. What I'm trying to say is that sushisource is being a cunt for dehumanizing the person that was killed.

lol seems like your sense of humor is not being well received here

Well it's more sideways, perhaps even caustic, something like that, I'd say, rather than humorous per se.

Still... stiff upper lip. Though I can't believe I'm getting downvoted for reminding people not to kill anybody while behind the wheel :-o

Re: Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Post by freehunter »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #121

There's at least two other trends that are, IMO, more to blame. SUVs in general for one, and the proliferation of particular mixed-use road antipattern. SUVs is an easy one. When an SUV hits a bicyclist, motorcyclist, or pedestrian, the unfortunate person tends to go through rather than the over they'd be subjected to by a sedan. Motorcycle accident stats bear this out - the overall accident rate has gone down as peo…

Why do people blame SUVs when pickup trucks are some of the the highest selling vehicles in America and vans/minivans have existed since forever and are still popular? And they’re both the same size as SUVs?

Re: Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Post by userbinator »

Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #141
danso wrote: post #44

The NYT just published a graphic that purports to show the location of the vehicle and the victim: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/20/us/self-drivi... This is the first report I've seen that indicates the Uber AV was in the right lane. Remember that the victim was crossing from left to right, and that all of the visible damage on the AV is on the right-side bumper. It's very hard to imagine a scenario in…

The question that comes to my mind then is.... why didn't the human driver that was sitting behind the wheel react? Could this be a demonstration of what people talk about with regards to partial autonomy being a detriment to human attention?

Could this be a demonstration of what people talk about with regards to partial autonomy being a detriment to human attention?

Definitely. By the time the human realises something is wrong and has to take control, it's already too late.

Incidentally, this is also why autopilots in planes have been more successful --- when something goes wrong high up in the sky, there's still relatively much time to assess the situation and react. With cars, even if the car suddenly told the driver to take over, the driver would essentially have to already be fully attentive to the situation in order to make a decision in time. It's the difference between seconds to a minute in a plane vs. fractions of a second in a car.

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