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Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

danabramov wrote: post #46
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (Zuk sold his shares in suspicious time). It's more interesting than that: > Zuckerberg has sold more Facebook stock in the last 3 months than any insider at any other company Given that there were indications that he knew well before today, there may be a case. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/zuckerbergs-facebook-stock-s...

If you read the article a bit further, you might find the explanation: >Zuckerberg's sales accounted for the most, by far. He announced plans in September to sell 35 million to 75 million shares over the next 18 months to fund philanthropic efforts. It's not new and was announced in September 2017. From the same article: >CEO Mark Zuckerberg sold 1.14 million shares as part of regularly scheduled programs.

The whole discussion surrounds events that occurred long before September 2017, which is why this is interesting. Previous articles indicated that the company, and likely Zuckerberg himself, was aware of part of the situation in 2015 and found out more in 2016 / early 2017. If it can be established that he knew about it, the 2017 September sales announcement is arguably tainted.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by LukaAl »

throwaway84742 wrote: post #11

I find it remarkable that when Obama did something similar in 2012, it was hailed as a major strength of his campaign and nobody had any problems with FB.

I find it remarkable that people don't understand there's a non-subtle difference between signing up voluntarily on the Obama website using Facebook and consenting to the information collection vs. signing up for a quiz from an unrelated company and having that data used by the Trump campaign.

If you don't understand the difference, it is the same difference between having consensual sex with your girlfriend and raping your neighbor girlfriend because she consented to have sex with him...

Now, this metaphor is imperfect, but from what we could see the Obama campaign was within the boundary allowed by Facebook TOS and what disclosed to the user. Did they push this to the limit? Yes. To the point that FB didn't think it was feasible. But legit according to the rule. Maybe having consensual extreme BSDM sex with your girlfriend vs. raping your neighbor's GF? Quiz, which one is legal and which one is not?

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by throwaway84742 »

yellow_postit wrote: post #47
curious_fella1 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But he did though...and there was no scandal then. Why now?

Whataboutism isn't a defense. Folks can legitimately be outraged and push for change based on CA. Reflection on past or ongoing abuses should absolutely happen.

It’s not whataboutism in the sense that both campaigns have done things that I would like to see outlawed.

I was merely pointing out a peculiar selectivity in reporting and outrage.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by wu-ikkyu »

danabramov wrote: post #46
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (Zuk sold his shares in suspicious time). It's more interesting than that: > Zuckerberg has sold more Facebook stock in the last 3 months than any insider at any other company Given that there were indications that he knew well before today, there may be a case. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/20/zuckerbergs-facebook-stock-s...

If you read the article a bit further, you might find the explanation: >Zuckerberg's sales accounted for the most, by far. He announced plans in September to sell 35 million to 75 million shares over the next 18 months to fund philanthropic efforts. It's not new and was announced in September 2017. From the same article: >CEO Mark Zuckerberg sold 1.14 million shares as part of regularly scheduled programs.

If I were insider trading thats what I would say too. It is tax deductible.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by vuln »

734786710934 wrote: post #22
madeofpalk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users that used the ‘CA’ mydigitallife app did consent, but the millions of other profiles that they were able to scrape in definitely didn’t consent.

This gets to the debate around if you can consent when giving up information about your friends. For example, is it OK for someone to give a company access to their phone's address book when the people in it haven't consented themselves?

Reminds me of Facebook and LinkedIn shadow profiles.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by downandout »

looeee wrote: post #48
downandout wrote: post #40

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That consent is contained in the TOS that you and all of your friends agreed to when you signed up for Facebook. Further, the access to friend data has always been more limited than you imply here, and more recently, it’s become so limited that using apps for data collection about friends is almost a pointless endeavor.

When I click a button that says I agree to share my data with a third party app, I am also clicking it on behalf of all of my friends. Where in the TOS does it say that?

Once again, your friends agreed to the possibility of this happening when they agreed to the TOS. I’m on my mobile phone right now, so I won’t be combing through the TOS looking for the specific clause atm. Maybe in an edit later. But it’s there.

Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway84742 wrote: post #26
cjsawyer wrote: post #18

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Their work was upfront and they weren’t trying to buy info or hide behind an unrelated app. This feels scummy in comparison.

Their work was so “upfront” that FB internal monitoring alerts have fired from the spike in load, and FB assured them that this is OK and they are “on the same side”: https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/opinion/technology/37... Bad optics, no matter how you slice it.

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Re: Facebook Sued by Investors Over Voter-Profile Harvesting

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Post by oldcynic »

downandout wrote: post #49
vkou wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were to ask 30 Facebook users whether or not Fred taking a stupid personality quiz leaked all their info, 29 of them would say no. This is why we need informed consent for data collection.

The point is that Facebook disclosed to you that this might happen. Failing to read the TOS is not the same as not having been informed. If you fail to read your mortgage contract but sign it anyway, you’ll still lose your house if you don’t live up to the terms. And for the record, the friend data that Facebook makes available to apps is far from “all” of it, especially nowadays

Degree is irrelevant until sentencing is it not?

Failing to read the TOS is not the same as being informed either. The judiciary seem aware of that too.

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