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Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Re: Police Say Video Shows Woman Stepped Suddenly in Front of Self-Driving Uber

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Post by marcc »

phkahler wrote: post #99
tintor wrote: post #92

Did Uber release sensor data from the vehicle?

My guess is that they won't release video footage out of respect for the victim and her family. That's mostly an excuse on their part though.

I don't think that respect for the victim and her family is an excuse to not release video footage. It's a valid reason to hesitate releasing actual video footage of a such a terrible event.

Sensor data is different. If Uber wants to help the story that self-driving cars are safer, then they should release sensor data to help substantiate any claims they may make in the future about what the car did and did not do.

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Post by IanDrake »

danso wrote: post #44

The NYT just published a graphic that purports to show the location of the vehicle and the victim: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/20/us/self-drivi... This is the first report I've seen that indicates the Uber AV was in the right lane. Remember that the victim was crossing from left to right, and that all of the visible damage on the AV is on the right-side bumper. It's very hard to imagine a scenario in…

The NYT graphic shows an empty road. Do we know that to be the case?

Is it possible the road had other vehicles blocking the view?

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Post by jd75 »

robotbikes wrote: post #34

I haven't seen anyone post this yet but I highly suspect the fact that she was pushing a bicycle impacted the machine learning driven AIs ability to determine she was a pedestrian. This reminds me of the kangaroos messing up the AV programs being tested in Australia. A human paying attention may have been wary of a person pushing a bike in the shadows but for all we know the algorithm thought that she was a bush or s…

Given that another comment says she "suddenly" crossed three lanes of traffic and was on the far side of the car when she was hit, my suspicion is that the car thought she was riding the bike. Of course all of us computers know that bikes always go over 5 mph so surely she'd make it across. Why brake?

I want safe self-driving cars, when they are safe. But Uber's clearly-established cavalier attitude toward human beings apparently can't be trusted with self-driving cars. I'm disappointed that politicians thought they could.

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Post by netsharc »

phkahler wrote: post #94
dwighttk wrote: post #85

It is astonishing how many conflicting bits of information are slowly trickling out about this person's death.

Especially when there is video of it. Please tell me there is dashcam footage, since that's the first thing that should be available as evidence with a self-driving car.

Well, considering the whole thing is in a test phase, they must have a recording of all the sensor data, including what the cameras saw.

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Post by u801e »

dzdt wrote: post #31
PunchTornado wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why didn't the human hit the brake? I don't understand how this is even news to be honest. There was a human in the driving seat and he failed to stop just like the computer.

Probably the human wasn't paying close attention. That is the problem with level 3-4 automated vehicles: a human who is not in primary control of the vehicle has trouble paying attention and is unable to take over control quickly if it is needed.

That's why I think vehicle automation development follow the path where the computer is not in primary control of the vehicle and can take over quickly when needed. Unlike humans, computers don't have trouble paying attention.

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Post by rconti »

ksk wrote: post #75

Self-driving cars are still a fantasy. I don't want the AI to be comparable to an average driver (who collectively get into 6 million accidents) . I want the AI to meet/exceed the skills of the best driver. There is no way anyone would trust an "average" driver to pickup their kids, more than themselves.

I've been in plenty of cars driven by Uber/Lyft/Taxi drivers not to mention coworkers/friends/family who were decidedly below-average.

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Post by xbmcuser »

danso wrote: post #44

The NYT just published a graphic that purports to show the location of the vehicle and the victim: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/20/us/self-drivi... This is the first report I've seen that indicates the Uber AV was in the right lane. Remember that the victim was crossing from left to right, and that all of the visible damage on the AV is on the right-side bumper. It's very hard to imagine a scenario in…

The police are comparing what would have happened if the driver was human. But Ai cars are supposed to have larger range of view. I personally feel waymo car would have probably noted and avoided the woman. And with lidar it's being dark is actually no excuse as it wouldn't matter.

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Post by rconti »

danso wrote: post #44

The NYT just published a graphic that purports to show the location of the vehicle and the victim: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/03/20/us/self-drivi... This is the first report I've seen that indicates the Uber AV was in the right lane. Remember that the victim was crossing from left to right, and that all of the visible damage on the AV is on the right-side bumper. It's very hard to imagine a scenario in…

I'm pretty amazed the SDV didn't "see" her, and yet the photograph shows the SDV and the bicycle in the same frame. I mean, yes, I'm sure it can stop from 38mph in, say, 60 feet under perfect conditions, but there's no way a human reacted to the collision and slammed on the brakes or hit an emergency stop button quickly enough to bring it to a stop with the bike in frame like that. I wonder if the vehicle is programmed to do a full panic stop on collision -- which, in and of itself seems a bit dicey, in terms of determining when to slam on the brakes (bird strike? dog? deer?)
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