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Diaphragmatic Breathing Exercises and the Vagus Nerve (2017)

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Gopi Krishna is the canonical worst-case scenario of an unprepared Kundalini awakening, so check out his "Kundalini: Evolutionary Energy in Man". I've heard that if you're careful, you should have an easier ride. However some people can have spontaneous awakenings, sometimes following traumatic (near death) events. One guy suggested there was a link between the adrenals and kicking off this process. The endocrine sys…

Wow, sounds like some fascinating side effects (weirdly shroom-like, actually) that I definitely would not have expected. I guess they're vaguely related to "overstimulating" the parasympathetic nervous system. I'm "into" mindfulness stuff as a mental exercise but now I'm feeling intrigued about experimenting with the breathing stuff (and generally the more physical aspects of Yoga) more. So thanks for the background…

Glad to help :-)

Yeah I think hallucinogens activate the same areas of the brain. The only 2 times I've ever felt totally, 100% contented was while tripping on shrooms and through meditation.

I went on a Zen retreat and asked the leader about whether they do energy stuff in Zen, and he just said "It happens on its own". I think all roads lead to Rome all traditions are basically teaching the same core practices. I think optimal results come from doing the breathing practices before mindfulness meditation. In fact, that's exactly what Patanjali wrote in his famous yoga sutras:

Physical postures (asanas) -> breathing (pranayama) -> introversion to progressively deeper degrees.

And once you understand the bigger picture, all the restrictions placed on monks make sense: conservation of semen for guys has a big impact (so either celibacy or tantric sexual practices), minimal diet (difficult to compress the abdomen if it's full of waste), waking early (there seems to be a connection with the circadian rhythm), silence seems to help, etc. Either way, there's plenty to experiment with. Good luck :-)

Re: Diaphragmatic Breathing Exercises and the Vagus Nerve (2017)

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Breathing through your diaphragm is desirable all the time and not only during a conscious exercise. Many years ago, I would breathe through my chest which made for shallow breathing. Look at how babies breathe; through their diaphragm/stomach. It took several months to shift my breath to the diaphragm. The exercises certainly help with lengthening the inhale and exhale, maximizing both oxygen intake and carbon dioxi…

> maximizing both oxygen intake and carbon dioxide excretion.

Assuming you're a reasonably healthy person (i.e. you don't have a chronic breathing condition like COPD), then your tidal volume isn't the limiting factor in either of those things.

Your respiratory rate is driven by the level of carbon dioxide in your blood. Your body will adjust the rate up and down to keep it at an appropriate level (this is an important tool in your body's toolbox for maintaining the correct pH of your blood). Getting rid of too much CO2 is also bad (it's why someone who is hyperventilating ends up with spasms in the hands and feet). Getting rid of CO2 requires much more air movement than is necessary to keep your blood oxygen levels up.

tl;dr; "Maximizing" those things shouldn't be a goal. Your body is already managing CO2 and O2 levels appropriately.

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Yoga (proper yoga, not the gymnastics they do in most gyms) is all about stimulating the vagus nerve and several others. The "locks" (bandhas) and various breathing exercises (pranayama) all work on it in different ways and stimulate different parts of the nerve. If you really want to juice it up add in some breath retention. Eventually you reach a sort of homeostatic state where your breath just naturally suspends,…

> that's when the doorway to the inner world opens

Sorry the metaphor is lost on me. What does that mean in layman terms?

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People! please be careful with these casual references to breathing exercises and other mind-body techniques. Breathing changes can hurt you. Please seek an experienced teacher.. for example, another post mentioned a cessation of breathing rhythm as a gateway.. BS, and dangerous too. Blood pressure, cardiac rhythm, mental balance, are all deeply effected. thanks and take care

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gopi Krishna is the canonical worst-case scenario of an unprepared Kundalini awakening, so check out his "Kundalini: Evolutionary Energy in Man". I've heard that if you're careful, you should have an easier ride. However some people can have spontaneous awakenings, sometimes following traumatic (near death) events. One guy suggested there was a link between the adrenals and kicking off this process. The endocrine sys…

Wow, sounds like some fascinating side effects (weirdly shroom-like, actually) that I definitely would not have expected. I guess they're vaguely related to "overstimulating" the parasympathetic nervous system. I'm "into" mindfulness stuff as a mental exercise but now I'm feeling intrigued about experimenting with the breathing stuff (and generally the more physical aspects of Yoga) more. So thanks for the background…

no - not like that .. intoxication is not the same as extraordinary function .. complex topic, not amenable to HN posts

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People! please be careful with these casual references to breathing exercises and other mind-body techniques. Breathing changes can hurt you. Please seek an experienced teacher.. for example, another post mentioned a cessation of breathing rhythm as a gateway.. BS, and dangerous too. Blood pressure, cardiac rhythm, mental balance, are all deeply effected. thanks and take care

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People! please be careful with these casual references to breathing exercises and other mind-body techniques. Breathing changes can hurt you. Please seek an experienced teacher.. for example, another post mentioned a cessation of breathing rhythm as a gateway.. BS, and dangerous too. Blood pressure, cardiac rhythm, mental balance, are all deeply effected. thanks and take care

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Unless you're locked in an airtight space (or small closet, etc) high CO2 should not be a concern whatsoever. Any normal living space is going to be fine. Even a relatively "tight" super-efficient modern home changes air over several times per hour (and have fresh-air injectors on the heating/cooling systems to introduce fresh air and prevent staleness). Even there, a house full of people wall-to-wall could not signi…

What about a dancehall/disco packed with people dancing?

Oxygen consumption increases with activity, obviously. Air handling is rated on square footage, structure design and intended purpose. A home is going to carry a very different set of requirements than a factory floor or a restaurant (which often has high CFM exhaust hoods and requires a large amount of fresh-air infiltration to make up for exhausted air). Max occupancy permits as based on these factors, and often limited by egress (exits) plus a safety-factor is added to that. But that's about the limits of my expertise. Beyond this lies architects & permitting inspectors.

The calculation of human heat load and perception of temperature (sensible/latent heat, and psychrometrics in general) is a big part of system design. I'd have to break out the software and start asking specifics to get you an actual number but my gut feel is that a dance hall is going to easily pass the air quality tests.

Of course, somebody could pack 100 people into a low-ceiling windowless 200 ft^2 room without forced ventilation and have a problem with not just air quality but also heat (each person is approx 20W at rest, 200W w/vigorous activity), but I'm speaking in generalities about properly used residential & commercial space.

Re: Diaphragmatic Breathing Exercises and the Vagus Nerve (2017)

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post #53
post #5

Yoga (proper yoga, not the gymnastics they do in most gyms) is all about stimulating the vagus nerve and several others. The "locks" (bandhas) and various breathing exercises (pranayama) all work on it in different ways and stimulate different parts of the nerve. If you really want to juice it up add in some breath retention. Eventually you reach a sort of homeostatic state where your breath just naturally suspends,…

> that's when the doorway to the inner world opens Sorry the metaphor is lost on me. What does that mean in layman terms?

A loss of awareness of the physical body and physical world, and various phenomena may manifest such as visions, sounds, etc. Perhaps it's the hypnogogic state or similar, but some sources suggest it gives access to the subconscious mind.

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People! please be careful with these casual references to breathing exercises and other mind-body techniques. Breathing changes can hurt you. Please seek an experienced teacher.. for example, another post mentioned a cessation of breathing rhythm as a gateway.. BS, and dangerous too. Blood pressure, cardiac rhythm, mental balance, are all deeply effected. thanks and take care

The key word is spontaneous breath retention. Google "kevala kumbhaka". Not BS at all, in fact it is a primary aim of the breathing exercises known as pranayama and is very widely documented within yogic texts, both old and current.
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