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Re: Craigslist Censored: Adult Section Comes Down

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Post by percept »

patio11 wrote: post #21

I hear quite often that prostitution would be a wonderfully pleasant industry if it were only legal, which does not square with the experiences of countries where it is legal or tolerated. You pretty much have to be running schoolgirls out of homeroom to get the Nagoya police to so much as glance in your direction, but Japanese prostitution is a very, very ugly place to be, and much of it is based on trafficking. I l…

Related to this subject, people might find _Tokyo Vice_ interesting/disturbing:

http://www.amazon.com/Tokyo-Vice-American-Reporter-Police/dp...

It's by a reporter who worked the vice beat in Japan for years.

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Post by ramchip »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #30
patio11 wrote: post #21

I hear quite often that prostitution would be a wonderfully pleasant industry if it were only legal, which does not square with the experiences of countries where it is legal or tolerated. You pretty much have to be running schoolgirls out of homeroom to get the Nagoya police to so much as glance in your direction, but Japanese prostitution is a very, very ugly place to be, and much of it is based on trafficking. I l…

I'm confused here - according to Wikipedia, (coital) prostitution is illegal in Japan. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Japan As you say, it takes a lot for the police to get involved - I'll speculate that they only pay attention when the monthly envelope of cash is light. That isn't the model pushed by most advocates of legal prostitution that I've heard - most want prostitution to be legal in the same w…

> I'm confused here - according to Wikipedia, (coital) prostitution is illegal in Japan.

And so is gambling, yet you'll find plenty of pachinko parlours or soaplands/"health salons" announced very explicitly. I believe the main reason is that many of these places are run by Yakuza (organized crime), and police would rather not stir up the hornet's nest - there's a sort of tacit agreement.

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Post by TGJ »

raganwald wrote: post #18
derefr wrote: post #7

In case you're wondering: this only affects Craigslist users in the U.S. It's fine here in Canada, for example.

I am struggling with the notion of a country that will defend to the death the rights of its citizens to purchase guns and use hateful speech, but simultaneously attack sex with such fundamentalist zeal. I'm experiencing cognitive dissonance.

The country defends the right to speech, whether you are hateful with it or not is your choice. The country defends the right of guns to remind the government that the population is armed and willing to stand up to oppressive regimes. Proliferation of sex outside of the family unit, destroys the family unit. Seems straight forward to me.

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Post by johnrob »

patio11 wrote: post #21

I hear quite often that prostitution would be a wonderfully pleasant industry if it were only legal, which does not square with the experiences of countries where it is legal or tolerated. You pretty much have to be running schoolgirls out of homeroom to get the Nagoya police to so much as glance in your direction, but Japanese prostitution is a very, very ugly place to be, and much of it is based on trafficking. I l…

It's capitalism - not prostitution - that is based, root and branch, on exploitation.

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Post by araneae »

jat850 wrote: post #40
araneae wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may not be pretty, but neither is working in a mine or fishing. At least the death rate is lower. And Craigslist prostitution is much, much prettier than street prostitution, high profile murder cases aside.

Really? Compare: "The workplace homicide rate for prostitutes (204 per 100,000) is many times higher than that for women and men in the standard occupations that had the highest workplace homicide rates in the United States during the 1980s (4 per 100,000 for female liquor store workers and 29 per 100,000 for male taxicab drivers)." [0] to: http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/26/pf/jobs_jeopardy/ And 204 per 100,000 encompa…

Prostitution is not legal in Colorado Springs, Colorado.

First line of the paper you cited:

"Female prostitution is embedded in a context of felonious activity, illicit drugs, and violence."

Also from the paper:

"Deaths from acquired immunodeficiency syndrome occurred exclusively among prostitutes who admitted to injecting drug use or were inferred to have a history of it."

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Post by toto »

People believing that the prostitution issue will be solved through craigslist section shut down, should learn what 5 whys root cause analysis is...

This sounds like first level solution, what about the other ones?

Emotional topic. Difficult (half)-solutions.

Re: Craigslist Censored: Adult Section Comes Down

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Post by thailandstartup »

yummyfajitas wrote: post #31
thailandstartup wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interestingly, the one area where prohibition works very well is prohibition on firearms, but this is not a popular prohibition in the US.

Do you have evidence for this? (Note: I'm looking for something a bit stronger than "Country X has gun prohibition, a different social structure, different demographics and different laws, and has lower homicide rate than Country Y which does not have gun prohibition.")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_owners...

Countries that have prohibitions on firearms have fewer firearms. It's a huge difference in the numbers and that's an example of prohibition working.

I don't know that countries that have prohibitions on drugs reduce drug taking by the same amount, or countries with prohibitions on prostitution reduces prostitution by a similar amount.

Mexico is an outlier because of its large porous border with the US. Switzerland is just an outlier.

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Post by drblast »

I can't understand the motivations for this.

Several state attorney generals find out there is are people going to a web site, and for all intents and purposes advertising they are going to commit criminal acts. The public is outraged.

A rational person whose job is to enforce the law at this point would be dancing in happy circles, because the criminals are not only advertising their crimes, they're doing it in a single, easily searchable location. This makes his job much easier than it was before.

So what does this person do in order to score political points with the outraged public? Arrest all these people in sting operations? No. He gets the site shut down. Out of sight, out of mind. And the public is happy about that.

For the life of me I can't understand why people do the things they do and feel justified about it. Prostitution is either so bad that it should be illegal and those laws enforced, or it shouldn't be illegal at all because all that does is create problems. There is no middle ground here.

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Post by eru »

korch wrote: post #20

The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. —Abraham Lincoln First, the only question that truly matters: Cui Bono? What industry made ~40% of their revenues from classified listings within the last decade? What industry has been slyly running hooker ads and profiting off prostitution for decades? What industry has been anti-Internet from the start? What industry has been running sensationalist,…

Newspapers are in decline in Europe, too. There's (almost) no Craigslist in Germany.

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Post by toto »

ck2 wrote: post #37

Congrats on CL on finally taking the high road without being legally forced to first. Claiming that it should be okay to do something questionable because everyone else does it is never the right attitude. Prostitution ads should not be right next to ads for cars, even if others do it. Those that claim how many illegal things would be better if legalized and regulated are naive.

Cars kills every minute, the car section should be shut down!
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