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An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

jacob019 wrote: post #17
tyingq wrote: post #12

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Urgh. That's such a basic leadership thing (scold in private) that it just infruiates me that someone wouldn't get that. Hopefully your boss figured that out or was moved out of a leadership position. It's roughly the equivalent of a developer that writes shit code with concurrency issues, basic code smells, etc...that would be drummed out in short order. For some reason, we don't hold leaders to the same standard.

It's shocking how many people with poor leadership skills end up in positions of power.

It's because positions of power attract people who desire power, not people who have leadership skills, and there aren't good metrics for what makes someone a good leader that you can use to filter out the bad ones.

See: Politics throughout the entirety of human history.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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hermitdev wrote: post #25
tyingq wrote: post #12

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Urgh. That's such a basic leadership thing (scold in private) that it just infruiates me that someone wouldn't get that. Hopefully your boss figured that out or was moved out of a leadership position. It's roughly the equivalent of a developer that writes shit code with concurrency issues, basic code smells, etc...that would be drummed out in short order. For some reason, we don't hold leaders to the same standard.

The company I work for, until this month, primarily employed contractors for all development work. When asked why a commonly used utility nearly always segfaulted at exit, response was: it's normal, just ignore it. Part of the reason they are no longer employed by us.

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Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by jstanley »

pc86 wrote: post #97
jstanley wrote: post #79

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I understand that it's a bit impolite not to tip, but surely it's much more impolite to hold a grudge against someone for not tipping. If you want more money, put your prices up.

Please explain how raising the price of a large pizza increases money in the driver's pocket.

If the company wants to get more money from the customer (to pay to the driver or not) they need to put the prices up.

If the driver wants more money he needs to negotiate that with his employer.

It's not the customer's responsibility to pay over the quoted price just because the driver thinks he is underpaid.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by rb808 »

pc86 wrote: post #97
jstanley wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand that it's a bit impolite not to tip, but surely it's much more impolite to hold a grudge against someone for not tipping. If you want more money, put your prices up.

Please explain how raising the price of a large pizza increases money in the driver's pocket.

If no one paid a tip, people wouldn't want the job so the company would have to raise wages to compensate. This extra cost can be passed on in higher pizza prices.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by jdmichal »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #98
jdmichal wrote: post #96

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> For the fans who were complaining that they couldn't get tickets for low-seating high-interest events, well that's just too bad. You had the same chance as everyone else. I've sat in ticket queues (offline and online), I've furiously refreshed ticket pages for events with room for less than 100 people just to be sure to get a ticket, 5+ months in advance. I really like the system we have here, where a big wallet is…

I don't it's the same as unpaid internships. You can never completely eliminate the cost, as there is a limited supply and you can't give away the tickets for free. But you can certainly minimize the costs. The tickets have to be put up for sale at some specific time that is usually advertised well in advance, which allows (most) people to plan for it. For some artists, a number of tickets are sold earlier to members…

Use a lottery system with prepaid authorizations? Pretty much any system where people can put up some money and walk away. Fixed price, no queues.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by cossray »

rkangel wrote: post #87
jstanley wrote: post #79

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I understand that it's a bit impolite not to tip, but surely it's much more impolite to hold a grudge against someone for not tipping. If you want more money, put your prices up.

I'm guessing you're not american? Their attitudes towards tips are different than, for example, those in continental Europe. The way I understand it, service staff are criminally underpaid (by our standards). This is workable because they make up for the income using tips, which works because tips are larger (I'm not sure which way around cause and effect is here). This means that when someone in the UK might withhol…

I've been in Japan for the last 6 months and I have never witnessed any tipping. You make such an attempt and it comes off as strongly rude! Different cultures for sure

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by emodendroket »

jstanley wrote: post #79
SteveGerencser wrote: post #31

Many years ago I delivered pizza while in college. When it was time to move on my manager and I decided to have some fun. For the last three days I was there I delivered to every terrible customer we had, then had a little fun at their expense. Like the guy that routinely refused to tip a single penny and said 10 pennies make a dime. I handed him a dime and told him now he didn't have to wait for 9 more pizzas. It wa…

I understand that it's a bit impolite not to tip, but surely it's much more impolite to hold a grudge against someone for not tipping. If you want more money, put your prices up.

Yeah, why doesn't the pizza driver just independently change the prices Domino's charges for pizza?

It's not just "a bit impolite" to not tip service staff in an American context; it's a grave insult that most people would only do in response to service they thought was shockingly below adequacy -- and likely they wouldn't even patronize the business again after doing so.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by emodendroket »

jstanley wrote: post #104
pc86 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain how raising the price of a large pizza increases money in the driver's pocket.

If the company wants to get more money from the customer (to pay to the driver or not) they need to put the prices up. If the driver wants more money he needs to negotiate that with his employer. It's not the customer's responsibility to pay over the quoted price just because the driver thinks he is underpaid.

But it is, because this is an obligation that everybody understands, even if it is not legally enforced.

Re: An employee whose job was to be sacked (2010)

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Post by psychometry »

jstanley wrote: post #91
wccrawford wrote: post #85

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I think there's a difference between not-tipping and telling the employee you're not going to tip them, especially by some stupid "10 pennies make a dime!" saying, as if the employee wasn't smart enough to know that or save money.

My reading was that that only came up after the employee explicitly asked for a tip. Otherwise how has he refused to tip "even a single penny"? He's merely failed to do so.

It's a figure of speech. Don't be so obtuse.
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