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Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by tomohawk »

throwawayfb2018 wrote: post #14

CA's CEO said it best: "It sounds a dreadful thing to say, but these are things that don’t necessarily need to be true as long as they’re believed.” This concept is the skeleton key that explains maybe 85-90% of the legitimately dumb bullshit & disgraceful/reckless behavior from the United States' right-wing REQUEST: if there's any FB moles reading, maybe live stream that Q&A & ask questions from HN

You should really include the left wing in your vitriol as well.

It wasn't the right wing that spied on congress.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spy...

It wasn't the right wing that spied on the press.

https://theweek.com/articles/464430/why-did-obama-administra...

https://cpj.org/reports/2013/10/obama-and-the-press-us-leaks...

It wasn't the right wing that spied on US citizens using the FISA process, and that unmasked an unprecedented number of peoples names from the intercepts, and that leaked their target's names to the press. These things are serious felonies.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/344226-intellige...

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by calanya »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

They should have notified the users whose information was leaked, as soon as they knew about it.

The 50M users whose information was handed to Kogan, and then Kogan sold to CA, should have been notified by Facebook as soon as Facebook found out.

Those users did not agree to that kind of usage of their information.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by mnm1 »

gtufano wrote: post #12
jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

At least here in Italy/Europe, beside the "tech bubble", people is vaguely aware that FB is collecting information about them but they are sure "there is nothing they can do with my data beside showing me some silly ad". The discovery that data can be used to actually affect their life has been a shock. Yes I know, like you, that there is nothing new in the "discovery" but it seems that it's not what people perceive.…

This is not at all unique to Italy/Europe. Americans have the same attitude as I'm sure many others do. People simply cannot think abstractly enough or far enough ahead (depending on how you want to look at it) to make sense of their world and protect themselves. Or won't. I don't know which, but this failure is hardly unique and encompasses most of most people's lives.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by ggg9990 »

tomohawk wrote: post #20
ggg9990 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK, name a prominent politician even 10% as unhinged from reality and fact as Donald Trump.

Well, Hillary Clinton still believes her bitterness is something people want to hear. Nancy Pelosi still thinks she's going to be the Dem leader in the House next year. If what you mean by "unhinged" is "disconnected from what most of us call real life", you would be hard pressed to find national politicians who aren't. If only there were term limits for all offices at that level.

No, I don’t mean political positions, I mean reality like “how many people were at my inauguration” or “how many million illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 election” (hint: ~0.00 to ~0.00000)

Of course, Trump also says true things that nobody else does.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by ggg9990 »

ggg9990 wrote: post #24
tomohawk wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, Hillary Clinton still believes her bitterness is something people want to hear. Nancy Pelosi still thinks she's going to be the Dem leader in the House next year. If what you mean by "unhinged" is "disconnected from what most of us call real life", you would be hard pressed to find national politicians who aren't. If only there were term limits for all offices at that level.

No, I don’t mean political positions, I mean reality like “how many people were at my inauguration” or “how many million illegal immigrants voted in the 2016 election” (hint: ~0.00 to ~0.00000) Of course, Trump also says true things that nobody else does.

And, of course, his entry into politics, the claim that Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by mcintyre1994 »

tomohawk wrote: post #21
throwawayfb2018 wrote: post #14

CA's CEO said it best: "It sounds a dreadful thing to say, but these are things that don’t necessarily need to be true as long as they’re believed.” This concept is the skeleton key that explains maybe 85-90% of the legitimately dumb bullshit & disgraceful/reckless behavior from the United States' right-wing REQUEST: if there's any FB moles reading, maybe live stream that Q&A & ask questions from HN

You should really include the left wing in your vitriol as well. It wasn't the right wing that spied on congress. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/31/cia-admits-spy... It wasn't the right wing that spied on the press. https://theweek.com/articles/464430/why-did-obama-administra... https://cpj.org/reports/2013/10/obama-and-the-press-us-leaks... It wasn't the right wing that spied on US citizens using the FIS…

All those things are terrible, but how do they fit with "but these are things that don’t necessarily need to be true as long as they’re believed."?

Illegally spying on people only seems worth doing if you're not just making things up. If you are then why bother risking illegally spying and leaking?

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by slivym »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

Well there's three parts to this: One is that data was collected without consent - ie, the third party can collect information about me because my friend gave consent. That's something that facebook has actually stopped now - but the damage is already done.

The second is that Facebook weren't diligent with who allowed to access this data - the 'researcher' collected data and then passed it to a commercial entity with no consequences. This is probably in breach of quite a few laws (especially in the EU).

The third is that Facebook knew that CA had participated in this deliberate breach of their terms to steal data and allowed CA to continue to use this data to target advertising on FB during an election campaign. They only banned CA after it got bad publicity, rather than when the actual infraction occured.

Re: Facebook will hold emergency meeting to let employees ask questions about CA

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Post by forgottenpass »

jasonlfunk wrote: post #10

It's still a little unclear to me what Facebook did wrong here. (Besides suspending the whistleblowers account, which seems like a dumb move.) Is it that they collect too much data? We've known that they been doing that for years. Is it that they allow apps to read not only your data but your friends data? That's not a surprise either. So some company somewhere figured out a way to abuse these already known parts of…

They showed their hand on a topic the news has taught the normies to care about.

Better yet, this will allow everyday people to see the problem because they're given a lens that doesn't make them feel like a rube. (i.e. They will think the data can be abused because it convinced people that are not them to do a thing they find stupid (vote Trump)).

Do you think because "we" know what they're doing, it has any impact on how they act? 95% of people with the vaguest notion of what they're doing find a way to rationalize it as good-or-neutral because they make money from a surveillance company and want to sleep well at night.

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