My greatest hope with all of the noise surrounding this, is that the engineers and employees at Facebook realize that Facebook and Zuckerberg’s vision does not line up with reality. Zuckerberg believes that Facebook will connect people and change the fabric of society and communities for good in a way that was heretofore impossible. Between Facebook’s political issues and the happiness-depressing effects of its use,…
Why would people leave? Facebook knows your buttons and pushes them just right. In aggregate this is terrible for society, but individually it feels good.
Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation
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#202There's breaking reporting that Facebook just had personnel in the Cambridge Analytica offices before the UK authorities could get there with warrants. https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/975844154361221121 > BREAKING: Facebook WAS inside Cambridge Analytica's office but have now "stood down" following dramatic intervention by UK Information Commissioner's Office.. https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/9758…
I seriously feel like I’m missing something here, why isn’t Facebook fully behind getting to the bottom of this? Going back even further, why was it so difficult for them to even admit they had a problem during the election? I don’t think it’s as simple as “more money,” but maybe as simple as people too close to the problem and too enamored by what they’ve created?
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The man makes some extremely reasonable points. I just wrote a comment along the same lines. I'm glad to see there is some common sense at Facebook. Stamos always seemed a bit too rational to be working at a company like that. I worry what will happen to Facebook after he leaves; they were lucky to have him. Also, I think the real problem here is that the media is attempting to politicize the term "breach," and secur…
How would you define the term breach? Is it fair to use the term breach from the perspective of the user whose data has been acquired? Or is breach only in reference to what the company that collected the data intended to do with it? There’s also seemingly two types of breaches at play: 1. The idea of a security breach, where a company gets “hacked” 2. The idea of a breach of trust, where people had given a company d…
The case of a "breach of trust" is a different story, and the problem emerges when you realize that what defines "private data" (the plunder from a breach) is nothing more than an arbitrary set of restrictions, set forth by the platform producing the data itself. Without Facebook, none of this data would exist. Without the Facebook API, no app would be able to collect this data within a sanctioned platform.
Because Facebook exists, and because Facebook offers an API to its data, Cambridge Analytica was able to collect "private data" on users. But it never needed to circumvent any technical barriers to collecting the data it extracted. The Facebook API and platform willingly supplied the data to Cambridge Analytica, as it did and does to thousands of other apps.
If it constitutes a breach that Facebook supplied that data to Cambridge Analytica, then there must exist some "bug," technical or not, that Cambridge Analytica exploited to gain access to the data. What is the bug? Can Facebook identify it, document it, and rectify it? If not, can Facebook really classify it as a breach?
The fact is, there was no bug. The Facebook API and platform worked as designed and documented, and supplied all data as expected to Cambridge Analytica, along with user authorization to supply that data.
If Facebook were to classify this as a breach, they must also point to the "bug" or "vulnerability," or whatever they want to call this, that enabled and precipitated the breach. Unfortunately, there is nothing for Facebook to point to, because the real vulnerability is the system itself. Facebook created an ecosystem of private data, and Facebook defined the boundaries for access to it. Facebook cannot claim an app, that was explicitly within the boundaries of its ecosystem, utilized the Facebook API in a way that constitutes a "breach." Facebook is the only entity in control of the boundaries defining a breach, or what exactly constitutes "private" data, so trying to call this a "breach" is like changing the rules mid-game.
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Apropos of nothing, Ellen Pao commented on how Reddit handles user data: > In 2014, we decided not to sell reddit user data because there is no way to monitor and verify use. There is no way to ensure data is deleted/corrected. It may be on any engineer's laptop. Who had access to copy it? How do you correct or delete PII or unauth porn after it's sold? https://twitter.com/ekp/status/975192404167831552
Note that this is essentially the same as facebook’s policy: they did not sell the user data as part of their advertisement business. It was an app that siphoned up user data without Facebook being paid. A lot of reddit data is actually far more accessible via the API or the public data dump, which is on BigQuery. What makes the data less useful is the comparative anonymity because reddit users tend to use pseudonyms…
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This fact has me more confused than anything. What did most people think Facebook was doing... Keeping all the data locked away an never letting anyone make use of it? The interest in that data by political entities should have been especially obvious. Additionally, this information about Cambridge Analytica came out months ago. I remember first hearing about it on a podcast that was mostly focused on the personality…
I think culturally we've accepted that political propaganda is different from run-of-the-mill corporate advertisement. Even the words we use are different: few people would call a TV spot "propaganda", even though both seek to influence people to act in a certain way. People understand and accept the concept and execution of advertisement. Propaganda is not received in the same way.
Nothing new here, seriously. Propaganda from both sides before elections has existed for as long as there were political debates and political campaigns. The fact that we have now systems to make Propaganda more targeted may make it more effective than before, but that's all. In the end, believing or not in Propaganda is the individual's responsibility.
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#207People have been openly complaining about sexual impropriety in Hollywood for decades. There were comedic references to Harvey Weinstein [1] and Kevin Spacey [2] in shows like 30 Rock and Family Guy. Suddenly people started caring. What changed was the cultural moment of the 2016 election. Specifically with Cambridge Analytica and Facebook, the Mueller investigation may have taken a turn towards them in recent months…
Yes, but why? And why now, rather than years/decades ago?
There's another layer to these stories that I'm very interested in.
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This fact has me more confused than anything. What did most people think Facebook was doing... Keeping all the data locked away an never letting anyone make use of it? The interest in that data by political entities should have been especially obvious. Additionally, this information about Cambridge Analytica came out months ago. I remember first hearing about it on a podcast that was mostly focused on the personality…
> Additionally, this information about Cambridge Analytica came out months ago. Minor nit: Years ago. The name Cambridge Analytica was being circulated in hacker circles since at least mid-2016. Thus far, the only new revelation was the Channel 4 reporting [1]. Security nerds have been complaining about Facebook's business model for years and it fell upon deaf ears. Suddenly, the public gives a shit and I don't under…
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/data-war-whistl...
This article is probably the biggest one right now.
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This fact has me more confused than anything. What did most people think Facebook was doing... Keeping all the data locked away an never letting anyone make use of it? The interest in that data by political entities should have been especially obvious. Additionally, this information about Cambridge Analytica came out months ago. I remember first hearing about it on a podcast that was mostly focused on the personality…
Most people couldn't understand ToS agreements if they had the energy to read them, which they don't. They assume protections in place that aren't there because things like the bill of rights do not apply.
It's easy to understand, however, the business model of companies like Facebook if you don't pay for the service. That's what Facebook users should realize by themselves.
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When have they really ever had their feet held to a fire on a controversial issue? Zuckerberg is still a pretty young guy, despite his position and all he's done he's still inexperienced in some things. Ever since he started Facebook things have pretty much gone his way. Maybe he just doesn't instinctively know what to do.
In which case he knows exactly what to do, which is shut up. There's nothing he can say right now that will make things better.
This is why he had been getting his picture taken driving tractors. It was an act of image management, not because he planned to run for office.