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Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by ams6110 »

whoisjuan wrote: post #20

Zuckerberg's and Sandberg's response to all these events has been the weakest and lamest that I have ever seen from any leadership, regarding controversial issues that involve a company of this size...and that's hard to beat when you have the likes of BP and Volkswagen... Do they really think that just ignoring the issue will make the problem go away?

When have they really ever had their feet held to a fire on a controversial issue? Zuckerberg is still a pretty young guy, despite his position and all he's done he's still inexperienced in some things. Ever since he started Facebook things have pretty much gone his way. Maybe he just doesn't instinctively know what to do.

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

dictum wrote: post #73
gowld wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Facebook doesn't get paid when app-developers access users, do they? Wouldn't facebook make more money if CA was forced to go through FB's ad-targeting systems instead of CA's own offsite ad campaigns?

This doesn't answer your question specifically, but there's the possibility that FB wanted a heated political environment inside its platform so it could sell more ads for all parties involved in the race, keep people engaging with the platform, etc.

Everyone wanted a different outcome. All of the monies accepted by NRA and other right wing organizations would not have been investigated if Clinton won in 2016. Trump would have averted the whole issue of finances and set himself up to create a new right-wing media organization. Chaffetz and other politicians admitted they had "years of material" on Benghazi with which they could hound Clinton. All of the potential money laundering operations through the RNC would have gone unnoticed. Facebook would have enjoyed years of elevated activity with political arguments.

But because of how things played out, we slowly became more introspective and started questioning. Scandals involving sexual impropriety with actors, culminating in the #metoo movement, is part of this introspection. And there will be increased scrutiny in social media and its role in enabling the current situation.

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by astronautjones »

weirdstuff wrote: post #59
downandout wrote: post #35

I’m sorry but show me even 10 voters nationwide who were going to vote for Hillary, and then saw a Russian-created fake news post on Facebook and changed their vote to Trump. This Security Chief was clearly upset that his candidate lost, but blaming Facebook or the Russians is ludicrous. It seems that they attempted to influence the election, but there is zero evidence that they were successful in changing the outcom…

This is the elephant in the room. U.S. based interests spent billions to influence public opinion here and abroad. But less than $1 million spent by a Russia media organization (to maybe attract viewers?) and some trolls tossed the election? I’m more than skeptical. This is a distraction campaign if here ever was one.

trump spent tens if not hundreds of millions on this company to discourage voter turnout, per their own guy:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:cHYYHF...

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by munk-a »

RpFLCL wrote: post #92
fooey wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the "breaches" and "abuses" aren't breaches or abuses, it's Facebook's business model working as intended.

This fact has me more confused than anything. What did most people think Facebook was doing... Keeping all the data locked away an never letting anyone make use of it? The interest in that data by political entities should have been especially obvious. Additionally, this information about Cambridge Analytica came out months ago. I remember first hearing about it on a podcast that was mostly focused on the personality…

Because I still have Al Gore's voice in my head. I assumed they took this data and put it in a "Lock-box". You see, we need to take it all in and put it in a "Lock-box".

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by jstalin »

anigbrowl wrote: post #81
jstalin wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who remembers how the Obama campaign's social media analytics and strategy were breathlessly praised ?

I certainly do, but I don't recall anyone seriously alleging that they were extralegal or covert.

https://twitter.com/cld276/status/975564499297226752

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

#106

Post by TAForObvReasons »

RpFLCL wrote: post #92
fooey wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the "breaches" and "abuses" aren't breaches or abuses, it's Facebook's business model working as intended.

This fact has me more confused than anything. What did most people think Facebook was doing... Keeping all the data locked away an never letting anyone make use of it? The interest in that data by political entities should have been especially obvious. Additionally, this information about Cambridge Analytica came out months ago. I remember first hearing about it on a podcast that was mostly focused on the personality…

I think culturally we've accepted that political propaganda is different from run-of-the-mill corporate advertisement. Even the words we use are different: few people would call a TV spot "propaganda", even though both seek to influence people to act in a certain way.

People understand and accept the concept and execution of advertisement. Propaganda is not received in the same way.

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by downandout »

mattnewton wrote: post #55
downandout wrote: post #35

I’m sorry but show me even 10 voters nationwide who were going to vote for Hillary, and then saw a Russian-created fake news post on Facebook and changed their vote to Trump. This Security Chief was clearly upset that his candidate lost, but blaming Facebook or the Russians is ludicrous. It seems that they attempted to influence the election, but there is zero evidence that they were successful in changing the outcom…

You don’t need to flip the voters, just get them to not show up, and get more republicans to show up. This isn’t about politics, this is about buisiness interests, and professional reputation. Some examples of ads using this technique: http://amp.timeinc.net/fortune/2016/11/03/text-vote-hillary-... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/01/us/politics/russia-2016-e...

Hillary Clinton had a $1.2 billion campaign budget, along with the vast majority of active social media users, the whole of Silicon Valley, and most of the press on her side. If Democrats didn’t show up to vote for her, the root cause wasn’t less than $1 million worth of ads for fake news stories.

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by trhway »

well, somebody is going to be scapegoated at FB when FB's attempt to push full weight of the blame squarely on CA fails. And Security Chief i think wouldn't be a bad scapegoat ... I expect some other high people also to leave to avoid being made to take one for the team.

Re: Facebook Security Chief Said to Leave After Clashes Over Disinformation

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Post by msangi »

Update from his twitter account:

> Despite the rumors, I'm still fully engaged with my work at Facebook. It's true that my role did change. I'm currently spending more time exploring emerging security risks and working on election security.

https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/975875310896914433

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