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Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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I have a personal story from inside facebook to share. and when I shared this story on my facebook my personal facebook was suspended too.

5 years ago Facebook recruiter reached out to me and invited me to the W hotel in Chicago. I was very excited -not for the job- but for the opportunity to meet with senior Facebook managers and tell them about an evil thing Facebook does. Here is the background story:

I am Kurdish from Iran. And Iran has many provinces. one of them is called Kurdistan. In Facebook profile section for Hometown you could pick all of the Iranian provinces except Kurdistan.

And at first I thought it was a bug. For years and years we submitted bug reports and collected petitions for Facebook they never responded why the Kurdistan province cannot be picked while other provinces could be picked.

Till one day, An internal document -guidance- leaked out of Facebook. That explained it all ! One of the pages was talking about Kurdistan. In which they had explained any reference to Kurdistan is considered terrorism. That was on the request of Turkish government.

In "Turkey", the word Kurdistan is forbidden. and many people in Turkey been prisoned for speaking Kurdish. however in "Iran" we officially have a province called "Kurdistan Province). and Iranian government recognizes the name Kurdistan for my homeland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Iran

But Facebook decided to enforce the Turkish government racist rule on other countries that have Kurdistan (Iran, Iraq, Syria...)

Also in that leaked guidance memo. Kurdistan flag was considered illegal. And hundreds of Kurdish pages and accounts got banned for having Kurdistan flag.

While Kurdish flag is illegal in Turkey. Kurdish flag is officially recognized in the Constitution of Iraq for Kurdistan regional government.

So when they invited me to W Hotel to recruit me. I was like yes finally I can meet the people in person. Because as a Kurd I have no importance and they will never respond to me but a software engineer I am pretty attractive on the market.

So I asked the question from one of the managers. And told them my story this for years and years I send them emails and nobody got back to me and we made petitions about this so-called bug.

He said these things are decided by higher management.

I told him how often do you show this disagreement to higher managers or Mark Zuckerburg's policies if you have a different opinion. He responded if I disagree with them I wouldn't work there.

I left the W Hotel in Chicago 5 years ago refusing to proceed with a job on FB. I knew Facebook is on the wrong path. And today I see that prediction coming true.

Even today when Turkey committed a massacre in Kurdish city of Afrin, Facebook blocked many voices inside the city who were showing massacres by Turkish government.

10 years ago FB came after kurds and you said not my problem. Today they are coming after all of u

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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> It really seems like Aleksandr Kogan, not Facebook, is the problem here Kogan probably breached the terms he agreed to with Facebook. But fifty million people trusted Facebook with their data and, when asked in their privacy settings, said they didn't want it shared with third parties. That information was then shared with third parties. If someone calls my bank and convinces customer service they are me, it would…

>If someone calls my bank and convinces customer service they are me, it would be reasonable to say the bank was breached. Not electronically. But breached nonetheless. That's a bad analogy. A more appropriate one would be if you called your bank and told them to allow a 3rd party to have access to all of your accounts, then blamed your bank when the 3rd party drained all your accounts. Facebook has no obligation to…

> A more appropriate one would be if you called your bank and told them to allow a 3rd party to have access to all of your accounts, then blamed your bank when the 3rd party drained all your accounts

Better analogy: you call your bank to allow a third party to have access to all your accounts. My account gets drained. Still a breach.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The political momentum is building for America to import GDPR. Feels good.

America has already basically imported GDPR because all of the companies building GDPR tools are not going to restrict them to the EU for fear of accidentally blocking a genuine EU citizen.

Might as well formalize it by enacting it into law. Wouldn't want to have conflicting regulatory regimes decreasing business confidence.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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I have a personal story from inside facebook to share. and when I shared this story on my facebook my personal facebook was suspended too. 5 years ago Facebook recruiter reached out to me and invited me to the W hotel in Chicago. I was very excited -not for the job- but for the opportunity to meet with senior Facebook managers and tell them about an evil thing Facebook does. Here is the background story: I am Kurdish…

Thanks for sharing this

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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The arrogance of Facebook's response to this breach, quibbling over what to call it and now this, is mind-blowing. Their "it wasn't a robbery because we left the front door open" excuse may finally bring about trans-Atlantic regulation of social media.

>The arrogance of Facebook's response to this breach Is it even clear that there was a 'breach' of any kind that Facebook was responsible for? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems like the chain of events is: 1.) Third party (Aleksandr Kogan) creates 'personality quiz' app, Facebook users opt-in to share information from their profile 2.) Aleksandr Kogan hands off data gathered by the app to Cambridge Analytica…

Clearly, Facebook loses hold on the users' data to some 3rd party players, and even now that they have no control that the data is actually deleted or not.

If Facebook has no means to detain such malicious usage of users' data, they should be more careful to open the access of it in the first place.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Facebook did not authorize data retention. CA’s actions were therefore unauthorized use of data, which is the textbook definition of a data breach.

So you're saying that every company that is screen scraped in violation of their TOS has experienced a data breach?

No. Facebook’s app Developer TOS are different than that of some random website, in that they require explicit consent. It’s a contract, not a one-sided passive statement and is therefore binding in a way a linked TOS is not.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Why are people calling this a data breach? As I understand it, CA just scraped the data from users who authorized their app to do so. Am I missing something here?

CA also scraped the data of friends of those users, meaning that many millions of people had their info exposed instead of a few hundred thousand.

I don't think that's really the problem. I mean, Obama's 2012 campaign scraped the data of Facebook friends of people who'd signed into the campaign website in order to figure out the most effective way to convince those friends to vote for him via microtargeting and other techniques, in particular working out which friends their volunteers could most easily convince to vote for him. We're not just talking about general profile information, but photos and feed activity. Apparently they were so aggressive about this it tripped Facebook's internal alerts. The New York Times spun all this as some clever, sophisticated breakthrough that marketers could take advantage of: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/23/magazine/the-obama-campaig... (While they were more honest about getting those users' permission than Cambridge Analytica, they didn't have any kind of permission from the friends they were hoping to profile and target, much like CA didn't. The viral tweet doing the rounds attacking CA for comparing the two is misleading.)

The main problem Facebook seem to have is that the wrong candidate won the 2016 presidential election and the press need someone else to blame.

Incidentally, based on the reporting come out of the Trump campaign, it's not clear they were even doing much or anything in this area. Their campaign leaned heavily on exactly the kind of "political gut instinct" that article decries - used as an input to models rather than directly, and augmented with stuff like A/B testing, but still nothing like the data-guzzling microtargeting machine of Obama 2012. There doesn't seem to have been much sign of CA involvement aside from the initial check the campaign wrote them and their attempts to use Trump's victory in their marketing.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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The arrogance of Facebook's response to this breach, quibbling over what to call it and now this, is mind-blowing. Their "it wasn't a robbery because we left the front door open" excuse may finally bring about trans-Atlantic regulation of social media.

Probably worth rehashing the infamous messages:

> Zuck: People just submitted it.

> Zuck: I don't know why.

> Zuck: They "trust me"

> Zuck: Dumb fucks.

A cynic would interpret the current state of the world to suggest that Zuckerberg, and by extension Facebook, considers a large segment of the world population "Dumb fucks"

http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Just get the f### off Facebook, already.

If you're the kind of person who votes based on targeted advertising, or the hyperbolic posts of people who vote based on targeted advertising, don't ask Facebook to change. Get the f### off Facebook.

If you don't like how Facebook is being used as an addictive propaganda tool by any and all political actors, including Facebook itself, then get the f### off Facebook.

Ask the Facebook "friends" you care about for an email address, phone number, or other messaging account and get the f### off Facebook.

You don't need up to the minute information on the playdate of your cousin's college room mate's toddler. Get the f### off Facebook.

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