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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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Curious how the numbers work out of number of miles [1] to number of deaths of autonomous vs standard vehicles. I know the scale is different but since this is the first death I’m curious if the percents fall in line. [1] is distance the right metric?

Perhaps time as opposed to distance? After all, we drive much fewer miles in a city, but there are much greater opportunities for accidents, particularly pedestrian accidents.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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Obviously more information is needed, but I thought the entire point of having a driver behind the wheel is to manually intervene to prevent this very situation? I'm very curious to see how they'll investigate this and who will be determined to be at fault (person behind the wheel or Uber). It will likely set a precedent.

" Obviously more information is needed, but I thought the entire point of having a driver behind the wheel is to manually intervene to prevent this very situation?"

I think it's time to point out the obvious, and require that autonomous cars apply the brakes first, and THEN require driver intervention.

And that they be a whole lot quicker to err on the side of braking.

Cameras getting fuzzy ?

Slow down.

Your ML algorithms are showing lower confidence measures for how they classify nearby objects and trajectories ?

Slow down.

nearby vehicles slowing down and you don't know why?

Slow down.

This is inexcusable.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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FTA: "The Uber vehicle was reportedly driving early Monday when a woman walking outside of the crosswalk was struck. ... Tempe Police says the vehicle was in autonomous mode at the time of the crash and a vehicle operator was also behind the wheel." That's a very bad look; the whole point of self-driving cars is that they can react to unexpected circumstances much more quickly than a human operator, such as when some…

I imagine these vehicles (especially test vehicles) are also recording regular video and therefore getting a clear picture of what happened should be straight forward.

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post #4

Is this the first death ever? (Do we count Tesla's autopilot as self-driving?)

Hm, there have been other crashes where the 'driver' in the car died (I recall one where a car in autonomous mode rear-ended a truck, something about how the sensor was blinded by the setting sun? And it had alerted the driver to take control several times before the crash) but this is the first incident I can recall where a pedestrian was struck and killed by an autonomous vehicle.

In the Tesla one the sensors did not recognize the white trailer of an 18 wheeler against the sky from news reports.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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Striking a pedestrian in a crosswalk is horrible and terrible news. The reality though is how many pedestrians are hit by manual driver's vs automous drivers? On a percentage basis I gotta believe autonomous cars are orders of magnitude safer. Self driving cars aren't going to be perfect. How many people lost their lives in early factories to machines during the industral revolution? Imagine if they had pulled the pl…

> On a percentage basis I gotta believe autonomous cars are orders of magnitude safer.

Why?

NHTSA reports 1.15 fatalities per 100 million vehicle miles travelled in 2015.

Waymo advertises >5 million road miles travelled. Let's say Waymo + Uber have driven 10 million vehicle miles and killed 1 person. That makes them 10 times more dangerous than human driven cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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FTA: "The Uber vehicle was reportedly driving early Monday when a woman walking outside of the crosswalk was struck. ... Tempe Police says the vehicle was in autonomous mode at the time of the crash and a vehicle operator was also behind the wheel." That's a very bad look; the whole point of self-driving cars is that they can react to unexpected circumstances much more quickly than a human operator, such as when some…

I agree completely. One thing that is important to me is that the whole self-driving field will learn from every mistake. In other words, every self-driving car should only make the same mistake once, whereas with humans, each human has to learn only from their own mistakes.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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The reason self-driving car companies have flocked to Arizona is that Arizona chose to pretty much completely deregulate them: They don't even have to report statistics to the state like they do in California.

It's unfortunate, but unsurprising, the first pedestrian killed by an experimental self-driving car allowed on public roads was in Arizona.

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