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Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

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Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#42
Why am I not surprised that, among all the teams competing in this space, many of which have clocked in far more miles than them, Uber is the first one to kill someone?

This may well just be bad luck. But I cannot shake the feeling that if Uber started an ice cream venture, they would store their molasses on a hill in a Boston. The only way to get “humanity” associated with Uber would involve an Uber zeppelin.

Or it’s a conspiracy, because nothing is as threatening to Uber than autonomous cars. This is certain to invite more regulatory scrutiny. Just kidding... I think..

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#43
post #7

On purpose to protect something "more valuable," or on accident?

Forgive me, I don't understand what you mean. Please elaborate.

I believe they are asking whether that the vehicle struck pedestrian A in the course of avoiding something else like a pedestrian B.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#45

The video says bicyclist and shows a bent bicycle. So pedestrian or bicyclist?

It would explain the "outside a crosswalk" remark better if the person were riding the bike. This is one of those cases where video evidence should be subpoenaed, though. It's far too common for the police to accept the statement from the only party still alive, and come up with incorrect conclusions about what happened on the street.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#46

On purpose to protect something "more valuable," or on accident?

Yeah, it will be interesting to see if this was an intentional (algorithmic) response or a failure of sensors somewhere.

I go back and forth with thinking the algorithms in things like self-driving cars should be public. Anything which must make a choice such as smash into bus or smash into bicycle — the public should be aware of the choices the company chooses to implement. Obviously this example is simplistic but it illustrates my point.

Today I’m definitely leaning towards it should be public and scrutinized. Next month I may be worried this would hamper progress.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#48

Striking a pedestrian in a crosswalk is horrible and terrible news. The reality though is how many pedestrians are hit by manual driver's vs automous drivers? On a percentage basis I gotta believe autonomous cars are orders of magnitude safer. Self driving cars aren't going to be perfect. How many people lost their lives in early factories to machines during the industral revolution? Imagine if they had pulled the pl…

yes, but with a human driver you have someone to take responsibility / punish for, what do you do with an alogrithm to provide justice?

Fine/sue the entity that made the algorithm, just like every other situation like that. Or, if you can prove negligence on the part of someone inside that company, prosecute them.

Re: Self-driving Uber car kills Arizona woman crossing street

#50
post #6

Uber's self-driving program seems to be one of the most unethical, most poorly-run in the entire industry. There were plenty of reports before warning us of the questionable quality of their research: cars changing lanes suddenly, blowing red lights, and now one finally killed someone. Every prior incident should have been treated as a serious matter. Waymo et al has had none of these issues. Time to revoke their lic…

IIRC, Uber initially launched its self driving cars by flouting California law: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnet.com/google-amp/news/ub...
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