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Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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Re: Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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This is one consequence risked when an ISV is very public and explicit about how much money they make. The chance is always non-zero, but surely it is increased if you reveal numbers in public and they are large.

That said, I love Balsamiq and appreciate most everything he has shared with the public. And I think what this Chinese guy is proposing is scummy, at least in how he treats it.

Re: Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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Making an exact (more or less) clone of a successful product isn't especially unethical to my way of thinking, but it is stupid . The original product has a "head start" in the marketplace and you're almost certainly going to be playing catch-up in terms of market share and (here's the less part of "more or less") features. What does make sense is a near-clone with a killer feature added. Google was like Altavista, b…

I mostly agree with you but one small caveat - most companies do a relatively poor job of extracting economic value from their products on a global basis. So in this case if the OP is willing to work the Chinese local market much harder than Balsamiq can then the whole endeavour might actually be worthwhile. In short you dont have to beat the global maxima of product providers, just the local maxima.

Localization is very much a killer feature. Being just like Google[0] but with a China-centric instead of US-centric worldview seems to be working great for Baidu.

[0] In terms of core-product, in the ways that matter to most users

Re: Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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On a side note: The guy is outsourcing his core activity - the actual development of the product. That can't end well.

Part of the discussion is about whether the core activity is marketing. That's an interesting question.

Re: Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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From the looks of it, he wants to clone Balsamiq not because he thinks he can do the concept better, or because he has a different take on it, or because he's inspired by that sort of functionality, but because they say they make a lot of money. That's all. He basically wants to ride on their coattails, and presumably sell a cheaper knockoff. Which is, I think, rather sleazy.

"Which is, I think, rather sleazy."

Why, exactly?

Re: Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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My view is its similar to opening a laundromat across the street from an existing laundromat. Is it unethical? Wrong question. Would it piss you off if you owned the other laundromat? Yes. Golden Rule applies. On the internet any website is right across the street from any other.

Re: Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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Was google a clone of altavista? Was facebook a clone of friendster? Was the ipod a clone of all other mp3 players? Is Mockingbird a clone of Balsamiq? Just copying an idea is fine. And if you do any kind of market research, your essentially figuring out which idea is the most profitable to copy. Its finally all about execution.

You're right, it's all in the way you execute. But starting off with the word "clone" doesn't sound good. I'd say Google was "a take" on search engines like Altavista, Facebook "a take" on social networks like Friendster. They didn't start as "clones". Maybe it's just a matter of phrasing but I was surprised by the number of replies like "go ahead, clone it!". Being inspired by, revisiting... are words that sound bet…

"Clone" doesn't sound bad to me coming from a programmer. Any programmer who is good enough to create an exact clone will find it psychologically impossible to do so. There's no way a programmer could complete a clone without thinking, "I can do better... they should have done it this way... it will be much better and more successful if I change this part."

Maybe I'm wrong, though, and I'm probably naive. Are there any software clones that aren't just inferior knock-offs, implemented by cheap labor hired by someone who never intended to match the quality of the original? I wouldn't count any product that beats the original in any meaningful way, such as better support for a certain language.

Re: Clone software to start my own business. Is it ethical? (discussion)

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From the looks of it, he wants to clone Balsamiq not because he thinks he can do the concept better, or because he has a different take on it, or because he's inspired by that sort of functionality, but because they say they make a lot of money. That's all. He basically wants to ride on their coattails, and presumably sell a cheaper knockoff. Which is, I think, rather sleazy.

"Which is, I think, rather sleazy." Why, exactly?

To whomever modded me down: Are you capable of expressing an informed answer to a serious question, or is it that you just get dumbstruck at the prospect of explaining something you'd rather just take as a given?

The idea that plain copying for the sake of making a cheaper knockoff is somehow wrong or sleazy is prevalent in many places, but never well articulated. It seems entirely a cultural thing, something that bothers some people because that's all they've known.

If there's a deeper reason, I'd like to know what it is.

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