> (“jakten” means “hunt” in Norwegian) I don't mind the confusion, it's just a fact that we can use knowledge of Norwegian to understand Swedish. Fun fact, same word as yacht, which is borrowed from dutch jacht with the same meaning as Swedish and Norwegian jakt.
Is it just a coincidence that jakten means both hunt and yacht in Norge? (I think I unpicked that chain correctly) Also, now I come to think about it, it is a bit embarrassing that we (en) pronounce yacht as "yot". I look forward to reading a future man page describing yacht as an archaic form of the correct usage. The man page for the ls command used to describe colour as an archaic term for the "modern" form - colo…
Hackers Are So Fed Up with Twitter Bots They’re Hunting Them Down Themselves
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Re: Hackers Are So Fed Up with Twitter Bots They’re Hunting Them Down Themselves
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sadly that's true, on Twitter as well as on Facebook, and it's pretty well documented at this point.
Then why not tackle the root problem?: Lack of critical thinking skills. I'm not from the US, so I don't know how extensive their philosophy courses are in school, but judging by these repetitive "Russians/bots are manipulating our people" headlines, it's probably lacking.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tried to make Twitter work for me by only following people I am genuinely interested in. (Founders, CEO's, etc) but even after that I am not engaged.
Same, my feed was still filled with inane posts no matter how much I tried to mess with it. I just gave up.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same, my feed was still filled with inane posts no matter how much I tried to mess with it. I just gave up.
Embrace the banality.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question: what's the point of twitter?
It's like an RSS reader but for people & products. At least that's how I use it.
What is Facebook? It's an RSS feed of your friends and family's lives. Facebook has replaced Blogger et al, which primarily syndicated through actual RSS, because it was an accessible, simple way to a) create a feed and b) allow publishers to retain some control over their content (by e.g. blocking an undesirable consumer).
You had to have some technical competency to set up a blog and an RSS reader, and all Facebook did was fix that and bring the power of syndication to the RSS-incapable masses.
As far as I'm concerned, Twitter's value proposition is that it's supposed to be a continuous, temporary real-time vein on whatever is happening at that moment. It doesn't really do a good job of that filling that niche IMO. The only time I've had an impulse to use Twitter is during something like a live news event, and these days I think something like Snapchat does this better (though they're both infuriatingly difficult to access and navigate, decimating their practical utility).
In practice Twitter has regressed to the lowest common denominator of "microblogging". The thing that continues to give it power is its interactivity. Because the messages are so short and feel so quick, Twitter ensures that people will see our message, react, and that hits our feedback loops ASAP, demanding follow-on after follow-on.
One interpretation of today's Twitter is that it's just the unwashed masses clamoring for a fleeting glimpse of attention from someone they admire. This corresponds with Twitter's early adoption as a celebrity messaging platform for actors (iirc Ashton Kutcher was the first Twitter user to get 1M followers).
The only time Twitter's current incarnation is useful is when it allows the everyman to get a message to someone else who would be guarded, e.g., common citizens potentially inciting a credible presidential campaign as in the infamous Russ_Steinberg tweet [0] .
It's depressing to think that so much behavior hinges on this rabid attention-vying, but it's also impossible to deny the power when some otherwise-inaccessible influence is established. I assume this is why people continue to use it, despite the fact that 99% of tweets drop into the void.
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#126The profile of fake porn accounts the guy in the first part of the story developed is that they "liked more tweets than they retweeted, had fewer than 1,000 followers, and directed readers to click the link in their bios." If that is the only criteria he's using, many legitimate accounts will be falsely accused.
I’m a total Twitter n00b. But are we really supposed to retweet more than we like? I was treating retweets as a stronger version of ‘like’, in a sense. Assuming too much retweeting will clog my followers’ feeds, and make them more likely to mute or unfollow me. So yeah, I like far more than I retweet. I also have well less than 1000 followers, being a n00b. I DO have a link in my profile, but don’t actively request p…
HN itself suffers from this problem. There is apparently a heavy "controversial" penalty applied to articles that get too many comments relative to their upvotes.
But, commenting is most of HN's functionality. I comment fairly frequently; I certainly don't upvote articles anywhere near as often.
Re: Hackers Are So Fed Up with Twitter Bots They’re Hunting Them Down Themselves
#127The profile of fake porn accounts the guy in the first part of the story developed is that they "liked more tweets than they retweeted, had fewer than 1,000 followers, and directed readers to click the link in their bios." If that is the only criteria he's using, many legitimate accounts will be falsely accused.
I’m a total Twitter n00b. But are we really supposed to retweet more than we like? I was treating retweets as a stronger version of ‘like’, in a sense. Assuming too much retweeting will clog my followers’ feeds, and make them more likely to mute or unfollow me. So yeah, I like far more than I retweet. I also have well less than 1000 followers, being a n00b. I DO have a link in my profile, but don’t actively request p…
If there's one thing I've learned about social media, it's that this totally considerate, natural thought pattern is anathema to the platform vendors.
In the real world, you expect a high Signal-to-Noise ratio, and want to reward people who speak less often because their words become more weighty/significant. Social platforms work on the exact inverse of this principle! They reward high Noise-to-Signal accounts because that keeps the psychological engagement hooks going. The platforms actively punish accounts that aren't continuously, repetitively pushing those buttons. If you ever wonder why the spammiest crap floats to the top, this is why.
We're all just flashing bulbs in the social media slot machine. If we're not frantically flashing, blinking, or otherwise making it difficult for the consumer-gambler to look away, we're not serving the platform's purpose, and we'll be replaced with a bulb that does.
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#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
And if you check the address, you can often see thousands of dollars scammed. Not as lucrative as it seemed to be the first time I noticed them a month ago where a Coinbase tweet had a spam response with an address that made 80k USD in This is going to force Twitter to finally do something about all the bots since they'll have to deploy countermeasures that generalize across pretty much all bots. It's clear that Twit…
> And if you check the address, you can often see thousands of dollars scammed. Just like the fake "Thanks!" replies, I'm sure there are fake actual transactions, meaning the scammer sends bitcoin to itself to make it look legit. The fact that they pay transactions fees doesn't really change much. So it's very hard to know how much of those thousands of dollars were actually scammed.
Re: Hackers Are So Fed Up with Twitter Bots They’re Hunting Them Down Themselves
#129For example: https://ssbc.github.io/scuttlebutt-protocol-guide/#follow-gr...
Re: Hackers Are So Fed Up with Twitter Bots They’re Hunting Them Down Themselves
#130This whole problem could be solved by opening account verification up to everyone. Twitter would be amazing if every profile were guaranteed to be a verified human being with government issued ID. Leave it open to those who want to stay anonymous, but give users the option to filter those people out.
I couldn't agree more. If there are more accounts than people in a region, you know you have robots registering. They need to employ better captcha and verification for registering new accounts. I wouldn't go as far as to require government ID, (some folks have issues getting government IDs for voting purposes) and many undeveloped nations have large portions of their populations that have no birth certificates. I wo…
What if there isn't a lot demographic overlap? Twitter doesn't provide any kind of tooling that would allow one to follow only the relevant tweets in a given account. This is especially relevant if the interests/communities at issue not only don't have a lot in common, but actually spend a lot of time at odds, which is the case for many interests. It'd be impossible to have some followers from such groups who wanted to hear about the one thing without simultaneously alienating them by talking about the other thing. Computing and hunting are good examples because your average cypherpunk's opinion and worldview is much different from your average hunter's opinion and worldview.
I have personally started a handful of different Twitter accounts intended to engage with different communities. None of these perform any automatic activity at all and I basically use them for a couple of days and then give up because it's too much effort (recently, more because Twitter blocks the accounts almost-immediately).
More accounts than people is absolutely not a reliable indicator that "you have robots registering" (especially when businesses etc. are expected to register). That may be a better metric if Twitter provided useful filtration tools, but even then it'd be shoddy.