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Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #100

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Holy shit. So my paranoia about turning off Google location tracking was completely well-founded, and way more quickly than I would have hoped. GDPR can't come soon enough...

https://takeout.google.com/settings/takeout You're looking for "Location History".

I don't think he wants a copy. I think he wants it deleted.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #98

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I’ve never once received, nor heard anyone else who’s received such an email. Are my family and friends the anomaly or are you?

The email reminders I get look like: Subject: You are using Google Location Sharing to share your real-time location. Hi Jeff, To protect your privacy, we would like to remind you that you are sharing your real-time location using Google Location Sharing with [wife] and [close friend and housemate]. If you didn't enable this or want to stop sharing your location at any time, please go to your Google Location Sharing…

Sounds like this is a reminder that you're sharing your location history. People who just have it on (which means, "just" sharing with Google), do not get these notices.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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If you have all location services turned on then your phone tracks your location constantly in real time. Go to My Timeline on Google Maps and it can show you a full map of everywhere you went on any particular day.

No, only if you allow to track you even when you’re not using it. Unless you are speaking about android and in that case it may well be like this, no idea honestly.

Most people have Android, it has an 85% global market share. And yes, this is how Android works. Play Services, which includes "Google Location Services" is preinstalled on essentially every phone that isn't an iPhone, and runs in the background by default. Doesn't matter if you have any apps open or not, Google's collecting location unless you explicitly go in and shut it off.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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Now sit back and think about what else people get called paranoid for.

Every time this happens, the same people magically transform from saying “What, are you paranoid?” to “What, are you naive?” The NSA’s surveillance dragnet is a very different situation because they are a government agency, but you could see the same exact phenomenon happened when the Snowden revelations came out. “Do you really think the government cares enough to log all your phone calls? You must be paranoid.” bec…

> Every time this happens,

I love these comments, you seem them all the time (Everytime this happens if you will). And they are phrased as though they are above questioning.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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I used to wonder why New York subways were somehow a high crime area. I thought, surely they're such small closed places that if there's a crime, the police can just block the exits and check everyone leaving, or look at the CCTV footage to identify them. But then I found out that they don't do that! Americans are so concerned about privacy, they let themselves get robbed and murdered every day. It's clear that they…

Why don't people trust cops? Asset forfeiture, crooked cops, shoot first ask questions later, a strong union which protects their own, and their ability to spy on their personal rivals through NSA/FBI tools makes us a paranoid bunch. The last part.. NYPD mis-used tools to track former lovers[1] and there was no reprocussion. How can we feel safe? [1] https://nypost.com/2013/11/08/jealous-cop-admits-to-hacking-...

Also, location data has a history of getting many people convicted innocently: https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21615622-junk-s...

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #98

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I’ve never once received, nor heard anyone else who’s received such an email. Are my family and friends the anomaly or are you?

The email reminders I get look like: Subject: You are using Google Location Sharing to share your real-time location. Hi Jeff, To protect your privacy, we would like to remind you that you are sharing your real-time location using Google Location Sharing with [wife] and [close friend and housemate]. If you didn't enable this or want to stop sharing your location at any time, please go to your Google Location Sharing…

This isn't the same thing at all.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

#127
post #4

Yet another reason to disable GPS and location history (and any other functionality you use infrequently) when not actively necessary.

That does absolutely nothing. If you don't want to be tracked, don't carry a phone. It's the only way.

> That does absolutely nothing

[Citation Needed]

While your location can absolutely still be tracked (via WiFi, Cell Towers, etc), disabling GPS significantly reduces the accuracy of this tracking, and disabling location history makes it even more difficult to freely track you.

While it's certainly possible Google maintains location history even after you opt out, doing so would likely be illegal, would possibly invalidate any data obtained from a warrant, and would unquestionably be a PR fiasco for Google when it got out.

As far as I'm aware, there's no evidence that GPS continues to function after turning off the software kill switch.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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This is probably one of the cons of using VPN. If criminal used VPN service that you happen to use and connect to the same node, expect police to read your emails, courtesy of Google. I'm still in the process of getting off google mail and switching to Proton. It takes time to go thru all my google emails and clean them up. Yes I know deleting them won't change a thing BUT at least I consent to deleting them on my en…

Google guarantees to actually delete your emails 30 days after you delete them from your account. The GDPR law in europe requires them to do this for european citizens.

unless there is a secret law that prevents them to actually do it...

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #26

This is an important story, but a little difficult to summarize. Here's my attempt at an overview: 1. Google stores location history data for more of its mobile users than you might expect. The precision is greatest when GPS is on, but less precise data from cell towers and WiFi sources is used almost any time a Google app is being used on an Android or non-Android phone. There have been cases in the past where Googl…

Much less afraid of false accusation and more concerned with incidental data being used against me later, or being used to build a profile the police can use in some other way.

Is this actually a real problem for normal non-criminal people? Murders happen every day and this would help deter or prevent repeat offenses. But having information about you that's correct, and can't be used in court because it was obtained without the correct warrant, when is that ever a problem? I'm not talking about high profile journalists or terrorist suspects. Just normal people like you.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #89

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VPN settings - location - Europe - Germany. GDPR enabled.

Not really, the GDPR is applicable to persons in the EU (not just in Europe) and not to persons using a VPN server in the EU. Anyway, the GSPR does not ban American-style surveillance in Europe. Most European countries have used the Snowden leaks as a blueprint to increase surveillance in almost every aspect, especially online and with many related obligations for Internet companies.

Not sure that pc plod in Europe gets the wide access that American cops do
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