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Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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Apple is the biggest company in the world, by market cap. I would hardly call Apple a member of the 'etc..' list.

Mentioning Apple to bring up the point is different than calling out parent for leaving it off. It was petty.

Petty is allowing Chinese state run companies to hand over all of their users data to the Chinese government while proclaiming you respect and protect your users privacy.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #46

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>Google stores location history data for more of its mobile users than you might expect What do you mean by this?

You don't have to be using Maps or an app that obviously uses location for Google to be collecting location related information. I have no idea when they do or don't but I'd bet people would be surprised if they found that the gmail app was relaying their location to Google. On the other hand few wouuld be surprised at all if you told them the maps app was sending their location.

I've noticed that the Google weather app seems to know where I am even with location, data, and WiFi turned off.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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I used to wonder why New York subways were somehow a high crime area. I thought, surely they're such small closed places that if there's a crime, the police can just block the exits and check everyone leaving, or look at the CCTV footage to identify them. But then I found out that they don't do that! Americans are so concerned about privacy, they let themselves get robbed and murdered every day.

It's clear that they don't trust their own police. That's perhaps the real problem. If they could be made trustworthy like in many other countries, people would probably be happy to have murders solved through video footage, cellphone locations, etc. It amazes me that even one person on here thinks this is a bad idea. Real killers would have got away otherwise. This isn't some wild NSA anti-terrorism dragnet, it's just normal police work collecting normal evidence specific to the crime.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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This is an important story, but a little difficult to summarize. Here's my attempt at an overview: 1. Google stores location history data for more of its mobile users than you might expect. The precision is greatest when GPS is on, but less precise data from cell towers and WiFi sources is used almost any time a Google app is being used on an Android or non-Android phone. There have been cases in the past where Googl…

Holy shit. So my paranoia about turning off Google location tracking was completely well-founded, and way more quickly than I would have hoped. GDPR can't come soon enough...

Why don't you want the police to be able to find your when there's a crime? What if you're the victim of a kidnapping? Or murder that goes unsolved because Google wouldn't tell them who did it?

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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I used to wonder why New York subways were somehow a high crime area. I thought, surely they're such small closed places that if there's a crime, the police can just block the exits and check everyone leaving, or look at the CCTV footage to identify them. But then I found out that they don't do that! Americans are so concerned about privacy, they let themselves get robbed and murdered every day. It's clear that they…

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Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #96

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Laws are ideas, and ideas spread. Hopefully it affects U.S. policy in the next decade or so. P.S. I'm curious how you found my city. LinkedIn?

It’s pretty hard to imagine those laws coming to the US in our lifetimes with all the corporate interests that would oppose them. It’s probably obvious but our best bet is in voting for Bernie Sanders.

> It’s pretty hard to imagine those laws coming to the US in our lifetimes with all the corporate interests that would oppose them

...or with the large number of ordinary citizens who would oppose them or be indifferent to them. People here tend to have their privacy/safety balance set quite a bit more toward the "privacy" side than do most people.

Where most people draw the line, I think, is when surveillance is looking into their homes. Being surveilled when they are out and about in public does not bother them much.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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I used to wonder why New York subways were somehow a high crime area. I thought, surely they're such small closed places that if there's a crime, the police can just block the exits and check everyone leaving, or look at the CCTV footage to identify them. But then I found out that they don't do that! Americans are so concerned about privacy, they let themselves get robbed and murdered every day. It's clear that they…

Why don't people trust cops?

Asset forfeiture, crooked cops, shoot first ask questions later, a strong union which protects their own, and their ability to spy on their personal rivals through NSA/FBI tools makes us a paranoid bunch.

The last part.. NYPD mis-used tools to track former lovers[1] and there was no reprocussion. How can we feel safe?

[1]https://nypost.com/2013/11/08/jealous-cop-admits-to-hacking-...

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #81

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Holy shit. So my paranoia about turning off Google location tracking was completely well-founded, and way more quickly than I would have hoped. GDPR can't come soon enough...

You live in Los Angeles (according to Google). How will GDPR help you? Companies such as Google and Facebook aren't going to implement European laws for their American customers!

Google and Facebook may choose not to, but plenty of others will. Consider the technical challenges of implementing one set of compliance rules in one place, and one set elsewhere. The profit gain from not following GDPR in an area must exceed the cost of maintaining separate rulesets.

LinkedIn's new policy that goes into effect in May appears to grant GDPR-like permissions across all users, for instance, though it does specify that EEA countries may have additional rights under the law. I suspect the majority of companies will end up complying with GDPR globally.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

#119
post #26

This is an important story, but a little difficult to summarize. Here's my attempt at an overview: 1. Google stores location history data for more of its mobile users than you might expect. The precision is greatest when GPS is on, but less precise data from cell towers and WiFi sources is used almost any time a Google app is being used on an Android or non-Android phone. There have been cases in the past where Googl…

Holy shit. So my paranoia about turning off Google location tracking was completely well-founded, and way more quickly than I would have hoped. GDPR can't come soon enough...

> GDPR can't come soon enough...

GDPR was approved on 14 April 2016. Google appears to have been complying for a while, starting to remove search results year ago.

I have heard of people getting a copy of all the data Google stored, but I haven't heard of location deletion requests yet. Will be interesting.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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I used to wonder why New York subways were somehow a high crime area. I thought, surely they're such small closed places that if there's a crime, the police can just block the exits and check everyone leaving, or look at the CCTV footage to identify them. But then I found out that they don't do that! Americans are so concerned about privacy, they let themselves get robbed and murdered every day. It's clear that they…

Why don't people trust cops? Asset forfeiture, crooked cops, shoot first ask questions later, a strong union which protects their own, and their ability to spy on their personal rivals through NSA/FBI tools makes us a paranoid bunch. The last part.. NYPD mis-used tools to track former lovers[1] and there was no reprocussion. How can we feel safe? [1] https://nypost.com/2013/11/08/jealous-cop-admits-to-hacking-...

Plus things like: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/16/nyregion/police-unit-that...

Not to mention historical corruption on a grand scale.

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