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Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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In principle and with some caveats, I support this use of tracking information: it's usually quite specific, it has a very positive efect for law enforcement, it's not a breach of fundamental rights of the suspect as confirmation of the physical location at a certain time is not secret and can be obtained by the police from CCTV cameras, eyewitnesses etc. The privacy of the bystanders is not significantly reduced if…

CCTV and eye witnesses can’t give you the suspect’s name and address.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #28

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Google guarantees to actually delete your emails 30 days after you delete them from your account. The GDPR law in europe requires them to do this for european citizens.

Does it guarantee to do this for everyone or just Europeans? Genuinely curious here since they might have separate policies in place for different countries- I imagine that China prefers to keep all its citizens' emails indefinitely.

Google has been doing this for years, before even making public guarantees. There wasn't a separate policy for China when I left years ago and Gmail is blocked there anyway.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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Google guarantees to actually delete your emails 30 days after you delete them from your account. The GDPR law in europe requires them to do this for european citizens.

How do I know where my mailbox is located??

It's actually complicated to know where your mailbox is. Even if you knew its current locations, Gmail rebalances the N replicas across X data centers all the time, based on a number of factors.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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In principle and with some caveats, I support this use of tracking information: it's usually quite specific, it has a very positive efect for law enforcement, it's not a breach of fundamental rights of the suspect as confirmation of the physical location at a certain time is not secret and can be obtained by the police from CCTV cameras, eyewitnesses etc. The privacy of the bystanders is not significantly reduced if…

I think you're being downvoted for having an unpopular opinion, which seems unfair. You're on-topic and cogent. Anyway, you might be interested in Carpenter v United States, which is testing the third-party doctrine in front of the Supreme Court and will be decided soon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_v._United_States

Tangentially, that's why upvote/downvote is inadequate — it squashes unpopular opinions and creates echo-chambers/groupthink. The solution is to have reactions that separate constructive/unconstructive, agree/disagree, and so on (a few other sensible categories) and only bury based on being unconstructive…

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #54

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Police have used this sort of investigative technique for ages this is just an instance of it being applied to Google and phones. For example, Sparkfun received a subpoena[0] once and they ended up having to turn over customer details of anyone from Georgia who purchased a particular Sparkfun product that was used in some crime. Another example, we've all seen movies or heard where someone sees a vehicle that flees t…

So this is another reason why as a business you want to keep minimal information on your customers. Not only does it respect their privacy, but it makes your data security compliance much easier.

I think people might be missing the finer details of this story. This is an example of the system working the way it is supposed to. They are getting a warrant and asking for very narrowly scoped information. If you take your argument to the logical extreme then businesses shouldn't have security cameras either. No crime would ever be solved.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #46

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>Google stores location history data for more of its mobile users than you might expect What do you mean by this?

You don't have to be using Maps or an app that obviously uses location for Google to be collecting location related information. I have no idea when they do or don't but I'd bet people would be surprised if they found that the gmail app was relaying their location to Google. On the other hand few wouuld be surprised at all if you told them the maps app was sending their location.

If you have all location services turned on then your phone tracks your location constantly in real time. Go to My Timeline on Google Maps and it can show you a full map of everywhere you went on any particular day.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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In principle and with some caveats, I support this use of tracking information: it's usually quite specific, it has a very positive efect for law enforcement, it's not a breach of fundamental rights of the suspect as confirmation of the physical location at a certain time is not secret and can be obtained by the police from CCTV cameras, eyewitnesses etc. The privacy of the bystanders is not significantly reduced if…

And this thinking is why we have No privacy left on the Internet.

I won't even get started on how Cops have abused every tool they have been given.

Hit the streets, look at video, talk to people whom respect you; then go back to what cops do best--Revenue Collection. Yea--I have no love, nor respect anymore.

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #26

This is an important story, but a little difficult to summarize. Here's my attempt at an overview: 1. Google stores location history data for more of its mobile users than you might expect. The precision is greatest when GPS is on, but less precise data from cell towers and WiFi sources is used almost any time a Google app is being used on an Android or non-Android phone. There have been cases in the past where Googl…

In addition to all the other, very serious concerns, I'll also ask this:

How long until these records are available for subpoena, e.g. in a divorce case? (Maybe -- hopefully! -- not in area sweeps, but nonetheless, where was the other party and who was in proximity. As I'm writing this, well, maybe they will ask for all connections in proximity, that list then to be whittled down to a list of candidates (per the police's approach in the OP's story)).

When are police going to start sweeping such data up en masse, looking for e.g. parole violations?

When will every "free association" be a tracked association?

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #26

This is an important story, but a little difficult to summarize. Here's my attempt at an overview: 1. Google stores location history data for more of its mobile users than you might expect. The precision is greatest when GPS is on, but less precise data from cell towers and WiFi sources is used almost any time a Google app is being used on an Android or non-Android phone. There have been cases in the past where Googl…

Holy shit. So my paranoia about turning off Google location tracking was completely well-founded, and way more quickly than I would have hoped. GDPR can't come soon enough...

Google tells you regularly that you have it enabled - you get emails with your full history. How would anyone not know it's recorded?

Re: To find suspects, police quietly turn to Google

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post #33

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Airplane mode?

Now you're just carrying a brick. What's the point?

Well, let's think about what I use my phone for...

1. WeChat. This is made completely useless without internet connectivity.

2. Kindle. This is totally unaffected by internet connectivity.

3. Pleco (a Chinese-English dictionary). The only internet-using feature here is the addon store. Again, totally unaffected.

4. Reading my email. Impossible without the internet connection.

5. OsmAnd. Requires the GPS, but doesn't need or use the internet connection.

6. The camera. Again, no need or use for the internet connection.

What's the point, indeed?

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