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Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by nico_h »

jonex wrote: post #4
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #2

"Looking back, it seems insane. Bluntly put, we took a known poison and – for three quarters of a century – used it in machines that puffed it out in breathable form. Then we drove them millions of miles a day, all over the world, regularly dosing billions of people with the toxin." We are still doing just that, even though we are using milder poisons now.

What are the poisons of today that we allow? I general, from what I've gathered, we have been replacing substances that accumulates in nature with substances that breaks down over time. So for instance, we still do allow ozone but also watch the levels to ensure they aren't too high. I know there are issues with a lot of medication as it goes out in the sewage and there's still a big question mark on the safety of so…

long-chain perfluorinated chemicals (C8 , involved in the production of teflon) see https://theintercept.com/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-decepti...

Nictonoides in general (pesticides) are poisons, which we don't ingest directly but still spew in the environment.

A poison we monitor and accumulates in the environment but don't regulate to the level it deserve given the damage it causes is of course CO2, as well as the other greenhouse gases (SO2, NOx etc... as produced by ships and planes).

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by minitech »

vixen99 wrote: post #18

And eventually there will be general acceptance that shoving a lump of metallic mixture containing 50% mercury, another toxic heavy metal, into a location an inch or so from the brain is not such a good idea. http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs361/en/ "Exposure to mercury – even small amounts – may cause serious health problems, and is a threat to the development of the child in utero and early in life."

Are you talking about fillings? Confusing to link to a generic article about mercury if so.

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by Angostura »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #9
jonex wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the poisons of today that we allow? I general, from what I've gathered, we have been replacing substances that accumulates in nature with substances that breaks down over time. So for instance, we still do allow ozone but also watch the levels to ensure they aren't too high. I know there are issues with a lot of medication as it goes out in the sewage and there's still a big question mark on the safety of so…

In the case of exhaust fumes in particular: Nitrogen oxides.

Though to be fair, the latest EU standards demand diesels have ‘Ad blu’ tanks that add Urea to the catalytic converts, mitigating most NOx emissions. So at least we are doing something about it.

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by goldenkey »

givan wrote: post #13
goldenkey wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well regarding mercury, it has been phased out of most vaccines in the US and European Union. > "FDA is continuing its efforts toward reducing or removing thimerosal from all existing vaccines." [1] Note to self: don't touch dimethylmercury even with nitrile gloves, it goes right through within seconds. The last person to do so, KW, slowly turned into a vegetable and was ultimately euthanized [2, 3] [1] https://www.f…

> Well regarding mercury, it has been phased out of most vaccines in the US and European Union. http://medcraveonline.com/IJVV/IJVV-04-00072.php

"Feligen, the only veterinary vaccine tested, proved to be the only sample free from inorganic contamination"

This isn't making me feel too great...smh

On the plus side, the cited paper [1] on probiotics is new information for me. I might try some more probiotics and see how they affect my mood.

[1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27756430/ (Microbiota and neurologic diseases: potential effects of probiotics.)

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by toomanybeersies »

coryrc wrote: post #15
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #2

"Looking back, it seems insane. Bluntly put, we took a known poison and – for three quarters of a century – used it in machines that puffed it out in breathable form. Then we drove them millions of miles a day, all over the world, regularly dosing billions of people with the toxin." We are still doing just that, even though we are using milder poisons now.

General Aviation (private planes) are STILL spewing lead into the atmosphere. It's not like they don't have the money to fix it, they just don't care about the externalities.

It's very hard to change anything in GA. Reliability is a much higher priority in aviation, if the engine in your car dies, you stop, if the engine in your plane dies, you fall out of the sky.

GA planes also generally last a lot longer than cars, you have Cessnas from the 70's still flying with their original engines from the 70's.

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by Freak_NL »

givan wrote: post #14
ikt wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://i.imgur.com/pYA688n.png

What about a scientific study instead of an ignorant facebook comment? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4091651

That article on the toxicity of ethyl- and methylmercury does not appear to have any bearing on the mercury based amalgam alloy used in amalgam fillings (unless they gave the rats amalgam fillings in their teeth).

I don't think you are interpreting the scientific article you are referring to correctly.

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by eutectic »

goldenkey wrote: post #19

I was actually pondering something related today. I worry about my cats' paws getting glass in them. Because the pavement is full of tiny pieces of glass, even worse if someone breaks a bottle outside, they won't actually vacuum and clean it up, I guess wind can help a bit..but it's just shuffling the glass around. Glass doesn't decay on a human time scale. Which brought me to the grim fact that there are so many sub…

At least broken glass doesn't stay sharp for long when exposed to the elements.

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by jakobegger »

Angostura wrote: post #23
nothrabannosir wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the case of exhaust fumes in particular: Nitrogen oxides.

Though to be fair, the latest EU standards demand diesels have ‘Ad blu’ tanks that add Urea to the catalytic converts, mitigating most NOx emissions. So at least we are doing something about it.

But it’s no good when manufacturers program their cars to inject too little urea, or turn urea injection off on the highway, etc.

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by alexandercrohde »

Knufen wrote: post #12
jonex wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the poisons of today that we allow? I general, from what I've gathered, we have been replacing substances that accumulates in nature with substances that breaks down over time. So for instance, we still do allow ozone but also watch the levels to ensure they aren't too high. I know there are issues with a lot of medication as it goes out in the sewage and there's still a big question mark on the safety of so…

Read up on BPA, drinking from plastic bottles and other endocrine disruptors we still allow in our food supply. As a side note, a lot of people think more quantity = more poisonous. This is not always the case as a small amount can mimic a hormone wrecking our hormone levels over time.

BPA and other xenoestrogens scare me the most. Men's sperm counts have gone down 50% in the last 30 years, nobody knows why, but the estrogens in our products/water/air aren't out of the question.

It's scary how little it scares everyone else.

Re: Lead is even deadlier than was feared

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Post by throwaway5752 »

Knufen wrote: post #12
jonex wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the poisons of today that we allow? I general, from what I've gathered, we have been replacing substances that accumulates in nature with substances that breaks down over time. So for instance, we still do allow ozone but also watch the levels to ensure they aren't too high. I know there are issues with a lot of medication as it goes out in the sewage and there's still a big question mark on the safety of so…

Read up on BPA, drinking from plastic bottles and other endocrine disruptors we still allow in our food supply. As a side note, a lot of people think more quantity = more poisonous. This is not always the case as a small amount can mimic a hormone wrecking our hormone levels over time.

https://newrepublic.com/article/86339/toxins-plastic-shampoo... is interesting.
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