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Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

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Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

#11

As an answer big techs will likely break these companies into 100 smaller ones to avoid the thresholds? "The levy would cover companies that have annual worldwide total revenue exceeding 750 million euros ($920 million) and total taxable annual revenue from offering digital services in the EU above 50 million euros."

From that angle, the transition from Google to Alphabet was prescient.

Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

#12

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Well, tax them on the money they make from EU sales then. I hardly see why the EU has a claim on revenues made by overseas companies on non-EU citizens. How about the US levy a tax on global BMW and Benz revenues?

> I hardly see why the EU has a claim on revenues made by overseas companies on non-EU citizens. For the same reason the US government has claim on all global income of both its citizens and corporations. [1] [2] Corporations brought this on themselves by using accounting cleverness to "hide" billions in profits [3]. This is simply a regulatory response. Tech companies can choose not to operate in the EU as well. Thi…

>For the same reason the US government has claim on all global income of both its citizens and corporations.

Keyword "IT'S CITIZENS AND CORPORATIONS". The US government doesn't have a claim on all global income of companies that aren't US corporations. e.g. Alibaba.

I can't wait to see your reaction when the Chinese government asks for 3% of global revenues of Siemens.

Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

#13

What right does the EU have to tax revenue (not even earnings) from money made on non-EU citizens? I could understand an argument that they have a right to levy a tax on money created by selling services to EU citizens, but global revenues? They mention Twitter as an example in the article, but Twitter's revenues for 2017 was $3.83 billion, and their net-earnings is mostly negative, or barely positive. So they'd be a…

These companies are operating in the EU and generating revenues from EU citizens, why wouldn’t they pay taxes on this?

If these companies don’t want to pay tax in Europe, then don’t do business in Europe.

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> I hardly see why the EU has a claim on revenues made by overseas companies on non-EU citizens. For the same reason the US government has claim on all global income of both its citizens and corporations. [1] [2] Corporations brought this on themselves by using accounting cleverness to "hide" billions in profits [3]. This is simply a regulatory response. Tech companies can choose not to operate in the EU as well. Thi…

>For the same reason the US government has claim on all global income of both its citizens and corporations. Keyword "IT'S CITIZENS AND CORPORATIONS". The US government doesn't have a claim on all global income of companies that aren't US corporations. e.g. Alibaba. I can't wait to see your reaction when the Chinese government asks for 3% of global revenues of Siemens.

Let's address that when Siemens is evading taxes like US tech companies are.

I can understand employees of US based tech companies might have strong feelings about this stance. I'd encourage reflection on taxes and how they pay for societal infrastructure.

Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

#16
Revenue taxes on businesses that are effectively monopolies in their markets are... not smart. They will raise prices by exactly the amount of the tax and the only ones suffering are their customers who now pay 3% more for everything. I bet it would even be added as line item to every invoice “EU Revenue Tax, 3%”

I’m sure everyone will love it!

Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

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> What right does the EU have to tax revenue (not even earnings) from money made on non-EU citizens? Every right. Their government, their citizens, their laws. > but global revenues? These companies exist globally. They would be vastly smaller and have far less impact if they did not have EU citizens. Network effects matter and ignoring them is choosing to not understand the big picture. > So they'd be asking Twitter…

> Every right. Their government, their citizens, their laws. If a company doesn't have offices in your country, it's not yours. >These companies exist globally Well, maybe the net result is to get out of the EU then, if the costs of 3% of global revenues exceed profits. If you don't think a company that is mostly non-profit (Twitter) shouldn't exist, I feel that's a pretty pathetic position. So you're either a very g…

Twitter is not a non profit by any stretch of the imagination.

If a company sells a product (ad space in this instance) in a geography they are doing business there and should pay taxes there.

Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

#18

As an answer big techs will likely break these companies into 100 smaller ones to avoid the thresholds? "The levy would cover companies that have annual worldwide total revenue exceeding 750 million euros ($920 million) and total taxable annual revenue from offering digital services in the EU above 50 million euros."

The law doesn’t work like that, if the taxman sees you as one company, you are one company

Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

#19

What right does the EU have to tax revenue (not even earnings) from money made on non-EU citizens? I could understand an argument that they have a right to levy a tax on money created by selling services to EU citizens, but global revenues? They mention Twitter as an example in the article, but Twitter's revenues for 2017 was $3.83 billion, and their net-earnings is mostly negative, or barely positive. So they'd be a…

You are mischaracterizing the proposal. Let’s be clear: the EU has no intentions of enforcing taxation outside of their jurisdiction and of course they have every right to enforce taxes within it. It’s pretty normal stuff.

Re: Tech Giants Set to Face 3% Tax on Revenue Under New EU Plan

#20

As an answer big techs will likely break these companies into 100 smaller ones to avoid the thresholds? "The levy would cover companies that have annual worldwide total revenue exceeding 750 million euros ($920 million) and total taxable annual revenue from offering digital services in the EU above 50 million euros."

> As an answer big techs will likely break these companies into 100 smaller ones to avoid the thresholds?

That sounds like a huge win to me. More competition is better for the market at a whole, and these 100 smaller companies will not be able to stop from competing with each other (or maybe we'll learn they just were better off as separate companies in the first place...)

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