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Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by jjp » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 12:14 PM UTC

tener wrote: post #125

jjp wrote: post #120

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Yes in that it has no consideration on when the data was captured or acquired. And there is a trickle down to anyone you have or passed the data onto.

Ok so you should take care of the data you posses now, but if you have shared the data with third party then I guess this is now their business to obey the law? I just don't see how you could possibly be forced to go and police everyone you have ever shared the data with.

Be interesting on this one. GDPR has explicitly called out legal obligations for the data controller and the data processor. Controller is the one you consent to data collection, processor is 3rd party carrying out processing on behalf of controller. If data sold then it is passed to another data controller.

In this case user has apparently given, some level of, consent to Cambridge Analytica. I don't know whether that would then make them a data controller in their own right or whether they still be treated as a data processor. If former then user would have to engage directly with CA for right to erasure or FB need to invoke T&C's. If later then it's down to FB T&Cs and then FB would have to inform CA of user invoking right to erasure.

GDPR will a minefield for consumers and organisations for at least another 2 years until we have some case law that backs it all up

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by Applejinx » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 12:17 PM UTC

Stratoscope wrote: post #81

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #66

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I disagree when the medium is text; it's harder without tone to hear.

You have a point there. It is definitely harder to hear tone in text. But does that mean one should always put in a tag? It may ruin the joke. As an example, this was one (or two) of my highest-voted HN comments ever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8690893 If I'd added a '/s' tag to those comments, it would have spoiled it, wouldn't it? Part of what made it funny was that I played it straight, and people believ…

And the funniest part is, you're essentially describing jitter, which is timing differences between successfully and accurately reconstructed bits, and jitter can really wreck audio quality. So you only think you're being sarcastic, while on a higher level you're alluding to a deeper understanding of known audio playback issues that are quite real and legitimate :)

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by Wh1zz » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 2:17 PM UTC

noobermin wrote: post #64

kbaker wrote: post #52

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I urge everyone to watch this video from Cambridge Analytica about their techniques with big data and psychographic profiling leading up to the 2016 election. Very dystopian, it almost feels like a seminar with a Bond villain. Quote from the video: > "we were able to form a model to predict the personality of every single adult in the United States of America." https://youtu.be/n8Dd5aVXLCc Edit: also this article is…

So, I'm far to the left of most people, and I'm no fan of Trump, but I watched that video and I got the sense I usually get from reading about ML/big data, people seem to be selling these as more than they actually are. It almost is intuitive if not, I guess, what most people who study market research already know: you tailor your message to your audience. Even on a personal level, anyone who has navigated real life…

Can you please recommend a book or something on these 5 traits and tailoring communication with people based on their personality ? It sounds interesting and something that would probably be especially useful for me.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by Stratoscope » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 2:41 PM UTC

Applejinx wrote: post #142

Stratoscope wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point there. It is definitely harder to hear tone in text. But does that mean one should always put in a tag? It may ruin the joke. As an example, this was one (or two) of my highest-voted HN comments ever: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8690893 If I'd added a '/s' tag to those comments, it would have spoiled it, wouldn't it? Part of what made it funny was that I played it straight, and people believ…

And the funniest part is, you're essentially describing jitter, which is timing differences between successfully and accurately reconstructed bits, and jitter can really wreck audio quality. So you only think you're being sarcastic, while on a higher level you're alluding to a deeper understanding of known audio playback issues that are quite real and legitimate :)

So the joke was on me all along... Now that's funny.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by gorbypark » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 2:51 PM UTC

I wonder what percentage of Facebook's revenue comes from political advertising? In an ideal world, I'd like to see all political advertising banned from their (and similar) platform.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by Faark » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 3:21 PM UTC

noio wrote: post #138

arjunrc wrote: post #108

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Are you serious, defending Facebook here? There can't be a single repository of online data, which by design gives the repository owner too much power and control. Blaming the users for falling for it is like saying we can't have regulation because markets can self-regulate themselves. After the last 3 years, anyone who defends Facebook comes across as disingenuous, naive or for a lack of a better word, a shill in my…

I don't think you and parent disagree. Facebook will do a good job of 'protecting' your personal data because that allows them —exclusively— to benefit from it. Though the definition of 'protecting' might differ, Facebook's might sacrifice that protection to benefit at any point. As a user, you're not in control of that transaction and will never benefit.

Also lets not forget Facebook as to appear somewhat protective of data, or they'll scare off even more user. Negative consequences of users sharing their data have to appear dystopian fiction.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by sctb » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 3:31 PM UTC

rvo wrote: post #4

Good. We can expect such behavior from vile conservative companies like Cambridge Analytics, funded by Mercer and the cause for Brexit. Why are they even allowed on FB? Such extreme groups should never be allowed.

Could you please stop using the site for political and/or ideological battle and start commenting civilly and substantively? The guidelines should be quite clear on this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by fuzzyoneuk » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 3:39 PM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #63

Dump facebook. Just do it. Make your final posts informing your friends how to contact you by email. Follow up with a reminder or two over the coming weeks and delete it. It will be the best feeling you ever had from doing something with your facebook account.

I've not been on fb for the past 3-4 years, the absolute best decision I have ever made, no more trying to decrypt cryptic statuses from people you have no interest in and 100% less pictures you could care less about.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by ngcazz » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 3:45 PM UTC

abakker wrote: post #77

Honest question: is this just masked preparation for GDPR? It looks to me that CA may have gathered and shared FB data, and FB has suddenly realized that they have a GDPR violation on their hands. IANAL, but I have seen articles suggesting that people will need to re-consent to the use of their data, and I could see this being a problem in this case, where the consent was never given in the first place, but FB would…

Fast-track GDPR then inject the fine money into the NHS with compliments from the EU.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Post by rybosome » Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 4:35 PM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #63

Dump facebook. Just do it. Make your final posts informing your friends how to contact you by email. Follow up with a reminder or two over the coming weeks and delete it. It will be the best feeling you ever had from doing something with your facebook account.

Since early 2017, I’ve stopped posting, scrolling mindlessly through the news feed, giving a shit how many likes things I say or appear in garner, and subjecting myself to the collective fear and anger of my bubble. It’s been great! On the rare occasion that I need to go on (a friend has invited me to something and the details are on Facebook), I can get in and out without getting sucked in. Given this, I have no motivation to actually delete my profile, but I also don’t want to be a regular user ever again.