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Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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I'm 99% sure there's no way anyone would vote for him, regardless of anything.

People said the same thing about Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzenegger before they were each elected as Governor of California.

They at least had charisma and decades of being beloved movie stars working in their favor.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Some additional context on Cambridge Analytica. I'm guessing Dr. Aleksandr Kogan (who also had his FB account suspended) was Cambridge Analytica (and the Trump campaign's) source of data on individual Facebook profiles: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/26/cambridge... > Cambridge Analytica used its own database and voter information collected from Facebook and news publishers in its effort to help elec…

I urge everyone to watch this video from Cambridge Analytica about their techniques with big data and psychographic profiling leading up to the 2016 election. Very dystopian, it almost feels like a seminar with a Bond villain. Quote from the video: > "we were able to form a model to predict the personality of every single adult in the United States of America." https://youtu.be/n8Dd5aVXLCc Edit: also this article is…

> a seminar with a Bond villain

Incidentally, the psychologist mentioned in the FB statement appears to have changed his surname to Spectre.

https://www.psychol.cam.ac.uk/people/ak823%40cam.ac.uk

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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I'm curious to see what FB does to mitigate this sort of data grab in the future. Is there anything stopping them from creating a walled garden around user data? For instance, they could enforce that any code with access to user PII has to be run on their servers, and all results can only display aggregate data? It still can be manipulated, but it seems like it would be harder

There’s nothing they can do. Once you have access to the data it’s as good as copied.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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This is an especially egregious case because it was well-known a long time ago that Kogan extracted a lot of really sensitive user data via the Facebook APIs that could be used for precision ad targeting. It says a lot about FB that they took this long to take any significant action other than getting a pinky promise from multiple companies that they deleted the data. Even if they deleted the data, they could have re…

> It's bewildering that they knew this huge amount of sensitive data got into the hands of unauthorized third parties and were willing to treat assurances as a sufficient remedy.

What exactly should they have done? It’s data, once someone has it, game over. It’s like trying to unring a bell.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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Dump facebook. Just do it. Make your final posts informing your friends how to contact you by email. Follow up with a reminder or two over the coming weeks and delete it. It will be the best feeling you ever had from doing something with your facebook account.

And after you dump facebook, invest in creating a strong social network in real life.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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post #88
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I urge everyone to watch this video from Cambridge Analytica about their techniques with big data and psychographic profiling leading up to the 2016 election. Very dystopian, it almost feels like a seminar with a Bond villain. Quote from the video: > "we were able to form a model to predict the personality of every single adult in the United States of America." https://youtu.be/n8Dd5aVXLCc Edit: also this article is…

> form a model to predict the personality I can do a model of personality using ML/DL anytime as well, it's a piece of cake. How good the model is is another question; I'd be surprised if they were significantly better than random noise given how pathetic "science" of psychology is.

Yes, I think it's more the "of every single adult in the United States of America" that is the disturbing part.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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It's too easy for this information to get out. There's basically no penalty, you just use as you want and year's late facebook cuts you off? So you start a new company, owned by a new llc, get the lawyers to sign the 'i am not evil' doc and repeat. There's no way this will have any impact until there are criminal citations on the people involved. In this case, because it's the us, there's not going to be anything cri…

GDPR will most certainly reach into US businesses as well as EU businesses. Any business collecting data on EU users will be subject to the GDPR.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbestechcouncil/2017/12/04/ye...

Though as the article points out: "There are still questions about how the EU will enforce these actions against U.S. and other multinational companies [...]"

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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I 100% believe in the fox to guard the hen house...from the other foxes. No point in sharing dinner.

Exactly. Facebook really wants to protect your personal information - it's their competitive advantage. If other companies all have your personal info too, then it's less valuable to Facebook. The last thing they want to do is let it get out. If you've decided to share your info with Facebook, well, that's on you. But Facebook isn't going to share it.

Are you serious, defending Facebook here?

There can't be a single repository of online data, which by design gives the repository owner too much power and control. Blaming the users for falling for it is like saying we can't have regulation because markets can self-regulate themselves.

After the last 3 years, anyone who defends Facebook comes across as disingenuous, naive or for a lack of a better word, a shill in my book.

Saying Facebook wants to protects your personal information is the most hypocritical statement, I've heard yet.

Re: Suspending Cambridge Analytica and SCL Group from Facebook

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post #102
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I urge everyone to watch this video from Cambridge Analytica about their techniques with big data and psychographic profiling leading up to the 2016 election. Very dystopian, it almost feels like a seminar with a Bond villain. Quote from the video: > "we were able to form a model to predict the personality of every single adult in the United States of America." https://youtu.be/n8Dd5aVXLCc Edit: also this article is…

> a seminar with a Bond villain Incidentally, the psychologist mentioned in the FB statement appears to have changed his surname to Spectre. https://www.psychol.cam.ac.uk/people/ak823%40cam.ac.uk

Yes. He says he changed his name from Kogan to Spectre after his wedding.

See: http://cpwlab.azurewebsites.net/CV/Aleksandr%20Kogan%20CV%20...

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