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Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

mancerayder wrote: post #139

Naïve question here: how is Google able to have Docs and Sheets without getting the crap sued out of them by Microsoft? In a similar way as the OpenOffice and similar reverse engineering efforts avoided getting attacked?

Sued for... what exactly? Not only do Docs and Sheets have almost nothing in common with Office besides being... well, an office suite of some sort... Microsoft's DOCX and XLSX formats were offered up as a standard other developers can implement, so compatibility isn't a problem either.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

komali2 wrote: post #39
MindTooth wrote: post #2

How to choose between two evils? Guess privacy were not on that list.

What sort of loss of privacy would an Enterprise account experience in Office or gsuite?

Google's AI-based features are applied to G Suite as well as the public versions, AFAIK. So your emails still get swept up into their deep learning algorithm for generating Smart Replies and the like.

A lot of Google's smart features technically "read your emails", and they are used on your account whether it's paid or not.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by ggg9990 »

granttimmerman wrote: post #128
threeseed wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what your point is here. Almost every single company I've ever seen for 20+ years has open sourced their developer SDK examples. It literally makes no sense what so ever to do anything else. This has nothing to do with what the OP was talking about which is open sourcing the core app.

The comment was about trending G Suite into open source. You've got to start somewhere. It starts with developer samples, moves into tools, languages (Apps Script), then sub-products. If you're asking for Google to open source it's products in one big blow, I don't think that will happen without smaller steps. I'm on the team that would probably best start the conversation of considering G Suite in open source. Would…

You are reflecting very poorly on your employer because you are proving that they hired someone naive enough to think that he could try to open source G Suite.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by scrumper »

maxxxxx wrote: post #75
aaronarduino wrote: post #4

Hopefully, this will start a trend away from MS Office to other office programs. Preferably open source solutions.

If the result is that we have moved from MS straight into the arms of Google we have won nothing. I wish LibreOffice would get more dev investment from big companies. As of now they are unfortunately way behind MS Office in terms of usability and design.

And moving slower too. Office at least has fairly regular upgrades. Google Apps has barely changed in years.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by rahimnathwani »

DamnYuppie wrote: post #96
Jesus_Jones wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

office 365 is far inferior to google docs for online collaborative document editing. You can lock the doc in office, you get into situations where it's very hard to safely have people collaborate on docs.

I don't find this to be true. For the last 2 years I have been using G-Suite and recently went back to O365. I find the collaboration features in the new version to be on par with googles. Also the UI is better, the online feature set is better, especially for PowerPoint and Word. As for Excel the desktop version is still the undisputed champion but it syncs up very quickly with others who are editing the same docume…

My experience has differed from yours. I've recently started using O365 for some client work. I'm really missing a few features from GSuite, that are important for collaboration:

1. Ability to reference a specific person in a comment (e.g. +DamnYuppie please add your thing here).

2. Ability to add/update TOC for a document

3. Comments being owned by whoever wrote them, so others cannot accidentally edit the text of the comment.

4. Ability to notified of and reply to comments by email.

5. Ability to organise documents within my own folder, without creating second copies. (In GSuite, a document is a single thing, even if different people want to organise their own folders differently.)

I also find the UI is hard to get used to. It's different from GSuite, which is to be expected, but it's also different from the desktop version of Word.

Of course I went through a phase of finding that GSuite lacked features that I liked in Excel, but the ease with which you can use Google Docs/Sheets/Slides across devices, and the super-slick display and interaction of the commenting and suggesting features, more than make up for those.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by sseth »

ajcodez wrote: post #80

At a past consulting job the CEO claimed Google was reading his confidential information in the 00’s and refuses to use anything except Office 365. In his case confidence that MS will not act improperly is the most important feature.

Interesting. You would think the case of Alex Kibkalo would lead to the opposite conclusion. Microsoft prosecuted a blogger for piracy of Windows software after reading his private hotmail emails.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by Sylos »

themacguffinman wrote: post #135
Sylos wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Instead, they force you to use their browser. It's not terribly different.

How? G Suite works on all mainstream browsers.

Hangouts didn't work for a long time on Firefox. They fixed it around a month ago or so, but that's pretty much three years after they knew that this problem would arise (deprecation of NPAPI plugins in Firefox).

For other parts, for example GMail, I've heard that they don't work as well on Firefox.

And to some degree, this is also just what I expect to see more of in the future, as outside of G Suite they're not exactly known for treating other browsers well either. Android Firefox in particular gets bullied by Google a lot. Last time I checked, the Google Custom Search that webpages can embed, just straight up returned a 404 when contacted by a browser with Android Firefox user-agent. And they serve some age-old version of google.com to it.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

maxxxxx wrote: post #75
aaronarduino wrote: post #4

Hopefully, this will start a trend away from MS Office to other office programs. Preferably open source solutions.

If the result is that we have moved from MS straight into the arms of Google we have won nothing. I wish LibreOffice would get more dev investment from big companies. As of now they are unfortunately way behind MS Office in terms of usability and design.

Unfortunately MS keeps changing their doc format, so LibreOffice always has to play catch-up simply to maintain compatibility.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by Sylos »

riku_iki wrote: post #140
Sylos wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For example: - A way for users to prohibit internet access per application - no forced installation of the whole Google Play Services, just to get access to the Play Store - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users - less politics in the Play Store. Google has for example thrown out 3rd party YouTube apps that offered background playback, because those supposedly violated You…

> A way for users to prohibit internet access per application For background data: https://ting.com/blog/ting-tip-for-android-control-which-app... > - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users Are you sure it is Android problem and not manufacturers decision, because they are afraid to be flooded with warranty issues from broken rooted phones? > ess politics in the Play Store.…

> Are you sure it is Android problem and not manufacturers decision, because they are afraid to be flooded with warranty issues from broken rooted phones?

I'm dead certain that some manufacturers would still not ship root, but I'm also dead certain that more would do than do right now, if it was officially supported.

> So, these apps are illegal from law standpoint, and make damage to Google.

They're not illegal. It was never trialled whether they're illegal. Google did not sue these app developers and did not have a judge confirm that they actually violate the YouTube ToS. They just threw them out of the Play Store, with the accusation pretty much just for PR reasons.

And I'm sure that they would not have won an actual lawsuit. The point in the YouTube ToS that they accused with, basically said that you're not allowed to separate the audio from the visuals of a YouTube video. Supposedly this was in there, to have something against people pirating music through YouTube.

If this were to suddenly be interpreted as it not being legal to have any way of just listening to YouTube videos without seeing it, then tabbed browsers would be illegal, any sort of multi-tasking-capable operating system would be illegal, it could technically even be illegal for users to not adamantly stare at their screen as soon as they click on a YouTube video.

No judge would push this through and no judge would rule someone guilty for not knowing that all these seemingly accepted uses were apparently different to offering background playback in an Android app.

That Google seems to not think much of their own rules would not have helped the case either.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by MindTooth »

BLanen wrote: post #70
MindTooth wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google or Microsoft makes their money on analytical data. In other words; we are the product. Not the software. So what I ment is that they traded one evil for a another one.

You don't know what you're talking about. Don't just repeat cool sentences that don't apply here. You're wrong here, ESPECIALLY with microsoft.

If I am wrong, why do Microsoft collect so much data? An honest question to you.
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