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China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by jancsika »

If someone were given dark money and tasked with destabilizing the Chinese govt, I can easily seem them doing the following:

* taking half the funds and putting it into think tanks that write pro social credit pieces with an earnest focus on making it more accurate and efficient from a technical standpoint (plus perhaps lobbying for its implementation in the West, for street cred)

* taking the other half and putting it towards anti-govt movements within China, using the info gleaned from the think tanks to provide counter-surveillance techniques

The counter-surveillance techniques will cause the govt to invest in more surveillance tech and clamp down tighter on the population. That enforcement will further fuel the anti-govt groups to become more radicalized.

Of course, I'm just armchair quarterbacking this based on vaguely remembering the news around the buildup and aftermath of the Iraq war. I'm sure the Chinese government has thought through these problems more deeply than I have.

edit: grammar

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by eanzenberg »

eddieplan9 wrote: post #293

I am deeply disgusted by false equivalency used in many posts this thread. Whatever you think the West is doing is not even close to this. The Chinese government owns and runs more than 50% of the economy and 100% of the industries they deem essential. They can not only cut your off completely from planes and trains, but also your electricity, driver license, internet, telephone, banks, ability to get any travel docu…

It's been fashionable for a while to bash the top dog. No, the US isn't perfect, but how can you equate it to the shit china does day in and out.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by refurb »

eddieplan9 wrote: post #293

I am deeply disgusted by false equivalency used in many posts this thread. Whatever you think the West is doing is not even close to this. The Chinese government owns and runs more than 50% of the economy and 100% of the industries they deem essential. They can not only cut your off completely from planes and trains, but also your electricity, driver license, internet, telephone, banks, ability to get any travel docu…

Welcome to HN where hyperbole is the order of the day.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by ygaf »

jonathanyc wrote: post #284
allthenews wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>from who gets more police attention, arrests, charges, plea deals and how heavy the sentences are None of this detracts from the fact that these laws are ultimately relatively clear in their restrictions, compared to China's social score. Theft is theft. Drug possession is drug possession. Had these "unfairly" targeted individuals followed the law, they would not be subject to its penalties. Sure, I recognize that v…

I think the Chinese “social credit” system described here is pretty horrible. But your support of the American system drastically misses the mark. A good summary is the ACLU’s position paper on Race & the War on Drugs. https://www.aclu.org/other/race-war-drugs You also are repeating a common misconception when you state that “If you want to stay out of the felon caste, do not break obvious laws, like those regarding…

>You also are repeating a common misconception when

It's a misconception that you could avoid being in the felon caste by not breaking laws? That's what he said. He didn't say "if you want to gamble with not joining the felon caste, you have fair odds". Lots of soapboxing ITT, threads should decapitate at the first post with 'systemic' in.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by sosilkj »

Chaebixi wrote: post #364
eddieplan9 wrote: post #293

I am deeply disgusted by false equivalency used in many posts this thread. Whatever you think the West is doing is not even close to this. The Chinese government owns and runs more than 50% of the economy and 100% of the industries they deem essential. They can not only cut your off completely from planes and trains, but also your electricity, driver license, internet, telephone, banks, ability to get any travel docu…

> I am deeply disgusted by false equivalency used in many posts this thread. Whatever you think the West is doing is not even close to this. It's terrible, it's even happening directly in the replies do you. This whole post has been almost totally derailed by whataboutism, and a lot of it is literally textbook : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism > The Guardian deemed whataboutism, as used in Russia, "practic…

False equivalency is a tool that's deployed often on HN these days to steer (or derail) threads. I assume it's due in part to PR/propaganda teams working to manage/manipulate sentiment.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by triangleman »

matte_black wrote: post #18
wufufufu wrote: post #6

Soon... "Amazon to ban people with too many returns from groceries"

Good lord, if I was banned from buying anything on Amazon or its subsidiaries I’d be incredibly fucked . I never thought of this before, it left me with a thousand yard stare.

Not me. I do enjoy WF365 but I could live without it. Hmm let me see, AWS is nice, but there are competitors. The online shopping experience is annoying, what with all the 3rd party crap merchants. Wal-Mart is usually better on price and availability within 5 minutes drive. I don't have Prime Video because I prefer Hulu.

Yeah I would be just fine without Amazon.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by simsla »

avcdsuia wrote: post #66

Shenzhen gov are using facial recognition to detect pedestrians running through the red light[0]. Their even release high quality pictures without mosaic in the first version, just a few days ago. [0] https://www.stc.gov.cn/facei/

These are censored (mozaic), as far as I can see.

I think the social credit thing sounds horrible, but I don't think there's anything wrong with automatic detection of traffic violations. Traffic codes are here to help people stay safe, they shouldn't be conditional on people seeing a cop.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by twblalock »

jMyles wrote: post #314
RobertRoberts wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you are white and wealthy, then drug possession is against the law only in vague terms on paper. Not to discount your other points, but this is exactly how the Chinese system will work as well. (and already does in other respects from what I have heard and read) > What a bunch of bigoted hogwash. What did he say that was bigoted? (I am serious, by the actual definition [0], not the pejorative commonly thrown aro…

Black people are 12% of the population but over half those imprisoned for drug offenses, and GP's advice is, "If you wish to stay out of the felon caste, do not break obvious laws, like those regarding drug possession." I mean, that's bigotry. That's something I expect to read on the_donald.

If two groups of people commit the same crimes at similar rates, and individuals in one of those groups are imprisoned more frequently than those in the other group, that's unfair on a systematic level. Nobody here said otherwise.

What aspect of this situation makes the GP's advice untrue? For any individual in either group, the best way to avoid becoming a felon is to avoid committing felonies.

Re: China to bar people with bad 'social credit' from planes, trains

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Post by avs733 »

refurb wrote: post #373
eddieplan9 wrote: post #293

I am deeply disgusted by false equivalency used in many posts this thread. Whatever you think the West is doing is not even close to this. The Chinese government owns and runs more than 50% of the economy and 100% of the industries they deem essential. They can not only cut your off completely from planes and trains, but also your electricity, driver license, internet, telephone, banks, ability to get any travel docu…

Welcome to HN where hyperbole is the order of the day.

One could argue that this is hyperbole.
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