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Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by nxc18 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #127
Someone1234 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Office 365 is though. - Microsoft Teams is a [bad] Slack clone. - Microsoft Planner is a [bad] Trello clone. - Outlook.com instead of the [bad] Outlook Desktop Application - Sharepoint online for a CRM - OneNote online for a shared scratchpad. The offline versions of Excel, Word, and Power Point have no online rivals but for collaboration Office 365 is one to watch. I'd even argue it has pulled ahead of Gsuite in the…

When I think of Sharepoint I think of a lot of things, but CRM is not one of them. I'm intrigued to hear more about how that works.

Microsoft also has Dynamics CRM

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by bassman9000 »

magnusdeus123 wrote: post #83
someoneelse987 wrote: post #60

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I agree with your critique. This is just a hunch but I don't think they are ahead: - Outlook.com must be one of the worst web apps there is. Compared to Gmail it's just plain awful. - Sharepoint is decidedly one of the worst pieces of software ever built, that is if you are a developer. If you are an editor/content manager then it is possible it's just fine.

I use Outlook.com as my main email provider. And I'm managing to convince people to move off've Gmail onto it because of it's streamlined interface. What do you find wrong in it?

It's deliberately slow in Linux (applies to all Office products)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13932226

Issue still happens to me: easy to test switching agents.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by UncleMeat »

petilon wrote: post #42
freehunter wrote: post #16

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I was with you until the last sentence. Rust is not some magical "get out of bugs free" card. Bad programmers can write bad code in any language, and good programmers can write good code in any language. We need to take security more seriously for our national security, I agree. More security-minded programming languages and frameworks may help with that. But rewriting them in Rust won't magically make their problems…

Memory related bugs (buffer overruns etc.) are the reason for most security bugs. Rust avoids these entire class of bugs. Yes, bad programmers can write bad code in any language, but you'd have to be really bad to cause memory related bugs in Rust.

> Memory related bugs (buffer overruns etc.) are the reason for most security bugs.

[citation needed]

This is a big claim.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by themacguffinman »

Sylos wrote: post #115
severino wrote: post #107

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> If the result is that we have moved from MS straight into the arms of Google we have won nothing We would have won, at least, the freedom to use the operating system of our choice. Microsoft software means you eventually need to use theirs.

Instead, they force you to use their browser. It's not terribly different.

How? G Suite works on all mainstream browsers.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by simonsarris »

interfixus wrote: post #133

It remains a fair stretch beyond my comprehension how anyone - individual or 100.000+ workforce corporation - could wish to lay their fate and data utterly in the hands of some third party entity.

Either you've never actually built anything worthwhile or your sentiment approaches the people who say "I never trust anyone" without thinking about what that statement actually means.

Car companies lay their fate of their passengers in third party tire companies and third party brake companies.

Airplane companies lay their product's fate in the hands of third party engines.

Airplane passengers lay their fate utterly in the hands of some third party pilot.

Car drivers lay their fate in car companies and other drivers.

Spreadsheets? Data? Whatever works best right now will do 99.9% of the time.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

discreditable wrote: post #113
redm wrote: post #33

I love G-Suite, and I use it daily for documents, sheets, and mail. I can do most things I need to do in sheets. That said, Sheets is no replacement for Excel nor is the performance on par for complex and dynamic sheets. I suspect this is a general change over as a base solution for all employees. I'm sure there are still parts of Airbus that will continue using Excel, Word, etc. IMHO this speaks to the fact that Off…

I agree that sheets is no excel, but it does almost everything I need, and a few things better. A few examples: - JavaScript as a scripting language. (It's no python but it's nicer than vbscript.) - Builtin regex functions (regexextract, regexmatch, regexreplace).

JavaScript is now the main language for writing Office add-ins: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/office/dev/add-ins/excel/ex...

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by interfixus »

simonsarris wrote: post #136
interfixus wrote: post #133

It remains a fair stretch beyond my comprehension how anyone - individual or 100.000+ workforce corporation - could wish to lay their fate and data utterly in the hands of some third party entity.

Either you've never actually built anything worthwhile or your sentiment approaches the people who say "I never trust anyone" without thinking about what that statement actually means. Car companies lay their fate of their passengers in third party tire companies and third party brake companies. Airplane companies lay their product's fate in the hands of third party engines. Airplane passengers lay their fate utterly…

Yes, clearly every social interaction is based on some level of trust. Your examples sort of state the obvious.

The point is, I will not drive on shitty tires if I have a reasonable option of good ones. I will not knowingly fly with a drunk pilot if a sober one is available.

Airbus - and nearly everyone I know - happily hand over ultimate control of their data trove to someone else, seemingly without any pressing grounds for doing so.

And yes, I know that is the way of the world these days, however much I may bemoan it. Witness the snide and micro-agression even here on HN whenever someone dares to differ.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Post by riku_iki »

Sylos wrote: post #118
riku_iki wrote: post #108

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what kind of extra openness you expect from android?

For example: - A way for users to prohibit internet access per application - no forced installation of the whole Google Play Services, just to get access to the Play Store - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users - less politics in the Play Store. Google has for example thrown out 3rd party YouTube apps that offered background playback, because those supposedly violated You…

> A way for users to prohibit internet access per application

For background data: https://ting.com/blog/ting-tip-for-android-control-which-app...

> - better root management, so that manufacturers can ship access to root to all users

Are you sure it is Android problem and not manufacturers decision, because they are afraid to be flooded with warranty issues from broken rooted phones?

> ess politics in the Play Store. Google has for example thrown out 3rd party YouTube apps that offered background playback, because those supposedly violated YouTube ToS with that, shortly before introducing a paid option for background playback in their own YouTube app.

So, these apps are illegal from law standpoint, and make damage to Google. How is this politics?

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