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Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by jessaustin »

jakear wrote: post #27
virtuowl wrote: post #9

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I know what you mean but i am not sure how much he knew about the things manning leaked. Considering what he did before i want to believe that he had a good reason why he did it. Maybe he really thought people were in danger

People really were put in danger. The Taliban targeted Afgan nationals revealed in the documents to be associating with the US. From a Taliban spokesperson: "We will investigate through our own secret service whether the people mentioned are really spies working for the U.S. If they are U.S. spies, then we know how to punish them." [1] I like freedom of information, but what Manning did was simply irresponsible. Ther…

Fucking hell, will you stop linking that 8-year-old article? The only information contained in it is one goat enthusiast no one ever heard of, quoted as saying "yes if we learn of a betrayal against goat enthusiasm we will be upset about it." That proves absolutely nothing. If any brave Afghan national USA collaborator had died as a result, we would have heard about him enough to be sick of it. Unlike, for instance, the thousands of Afghan nationals murdered directly by USA military, whom the war media never mentions.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by Alex3917 »

jakear wrote: post #36
andrepd wrote: post #13

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>Kids, don't be a snitch. Simplistic. Kids, please be a snitch sometimes, like Manning.

But when you're being a snitch, don't snitch out the people that were snitches for you. Manning released the identities of Afghan nationals who helped the counterinsurgency, leading to their deaths at the hands of the Taliban.

> don't snitch out the people that were snitches for you

If by 'for you' you mean Halliburton and Monsanto.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by danso »

djrogers wrote: post #170
danso wrote: post #153

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Nothing seems to have been revealed so far. - https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopold/secret-government-repo... > Regarding the hundreds of thousands of Iraq-related military documents and State Department cables provided by the Army private Chelsea Manning, the report assessed “with high confidence that disclosure of the Iraq data set will have no direct personal impact on current and former U.S. leadership in Iraq.”…

It's not really fair to claim that Lamo was wrong to turn Manning in based on retrospection like this. It would have been entirely reasonable at the time to assume that some of the 260k+ cables might have endangered US soldiers, allies, and others. The fact that we can't prove it did now does not change the reasonableness of that conclusion nearly a decade ago, and given the stakes at play it seems unfair to vilify s…

I don't disagree with you, just pointing out that there don't appear to be known incidents, as a previous commenter seemed to assert as fact.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by PeterMikhailov »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #102
CydeWeys wrote: post #76

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A name is a label (think C pointer) to a specific person. So yes, Lamo did report the person now known as Chelsea Manning. It was the person that was reported, not a name. Names in themselves are almost entirely inconsequential.

So, do you remember when the President of USA had that Apprentice show on TV? To me that's wrong, the President didn't, but Donald Trump did. There's no reason to hide that Trump hasn't always been president, and it's informative to know that he wasn't president at the time he was a TV character in a "game" (?) show. If the name is inconsequential why does anyone care if you refer to the correct historical fact that…

All of your comments in this thread are a great example of why people make fun of HN commenters.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by chris_wot »

dnautics wrote: post #18
cypherg wrote: post #11

This guy was seriously mentally troubled, and that's too bad. Chelsea Manning (Bradley/Bradass at the time) confieded in Adrian, Adrian snitched, and the rest is history. He did what he thought was right, but the consequences were absolutely disastrous. Kids, don't be a snitch.

I don't think that Adrian did it out of a sense of rightness. He did it because he had no choice. Adrian was basically suspicious that he was being monitored by the FBI (he had just come out of a judgement where he was prohibited from using computers, so this is not an unreasonable thing to believe), so it was either say nothing and get two people in trouble or say something and keep it to just one. Simply put, as mu…

Perhaps he might have considered that before actively seeking leaked information?

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by PeterMikhailov »

auntienomen wrote: post #77
mmjaa wrote: post #66

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She's a hero if someone says she is, and that's all there is to it. I think she was a brave, selfless person in doing what she did, and I'm glad that the US got its ass handed to it in this way. American military crimes are heinous, and the entire nation is doing nothing effective about it. There are millions of people suffering because the American public are too cowardly to confront their own military. So by sticki…

She also released hundreds of thousands of pages of other documents. I can sympathize with carefully targeted disclosures -- like the Collateral Damage videos -- but there's no way she reviewed all the documents she dumped. Wildly irresponsible.

I would blame the US for invading Iraq and Afghanistan before blaming Manning even a tiny bit for anything.
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