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Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by dang »

At a user's suggestion, we changed the URL from https://www.facebook.com/groups/majordomo/permalink/10156204... to avoid the painful contrast between an internet forum controversy and a father's grief over the death of his son.

I've turned off flags on this story because if we don't, the story will be reposted until we do. In return, here's a request: if you comment here, try to bring your heart with you a bit more than you usually would.

If we don't do that, a sort of tragedy of the commons kicks in where we each add a piece that's defensible in itself, but the picture of us that the pieces add up to is ugly.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by FFShhn »

alafazam wrote: post #23

I have read almost all his answers on quora. And from all that, one thing is there which i know for sure, that he was a good man. Rip.

dude was renowned for being a snitch, let him die with the dishonour he deserved.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

#143

Post by dang »

VectorLock wrote: post #131
dang wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Users explicably flagged it.

Wasn't showing up as flagged when it disappeared. It is now, though.

Flags affect story ranking before the [flagged] tag appears. The tag appears when the effect of the flags exceeds a certain threshold.

Since "flagged" isn't a binary state that's the only easy way to do it, but it does mean that a story's rank is sometimes affected by user flags without that being visually displayed yet. Usually it shows up after a while.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

#144

Post by FFShhn »

jsmthrowaway wrote: post #43
VonGuard wrote: post #22

So, I'm gonna lay it out here as I am having a bad day and don't feel like censoring myself. I'd known Adrian since 1998. He came to 2600 meetings in SF and was a fixture there. In that time, he generally didn't make any friends. While he was gay, he was also stalking a lady at the meetings, and being super creepy about it. Eventually, he left SF and was homeless. He got in trouble for hacking the NYT and making hims…

Come on, man. His body's not even cold and it was well-known that he was experiencing mental health issues, potentially his entire life, including discovering he suffered from Asperger's after an involuntary hold (that he described himself). Your venting isn't actually far from that diagnosis making sense. Is this really the time and place for this?

> Is this really the time and place for this?

Yes, because lying about someone being a "great guy and great hacker" is bullshit, no matter if living or dead. Sorry-not-sorry that you should only be celebrated if you're worthy of it.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

#145

Post by FFShhn »

eganist wrote: post #56
VonGuard wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I feel my comment is about as even handed as I could muster. Aspergers or not, he hurt a lot of people.

Serious question: what's the public benefit afforded by your comment?

whats the public benefit from lying about a dead guy?

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

#146

Post by rjbwork »

whichwalrus wrote: post #101

Sorry, this story isn't very interesting, but it really stuck with me nonetheless, and I wanted to share. Adrian had a passing romance with a friend of mine, and thus ended up traveling through the city I grew up in. This was long before Chelsea Manning, etc. I was a super shy, rather awkward teenage girl. I suppose the teenage part has changed.. but I digress. I loved the idea of mischief, but at the same time, I wa…

This is a fantastic story. Thank you for sharing.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by benchaney »

tzs wrote: post #135
notthemessiah wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[citation needed]

I don't think it is possible to specifically name anyone who actually died because of the leaks. It's similar to lung cancer deaths caused by smoking cigarettes. No one has ever been able to specifically name someone who died from lung cancer caused by smoking. In every single case, it is possible that the named person is one of the many people each year who die from lung cancers caused by things such radon exposure,…

That's awfully convenient. I supposed we should just trust anyone whenever they claim that their abuses being uncovered hurts American interests. Particularly when their claims are completely unverifiable. I wonder if people will eventually stop falling for such a completely transparent attempt to muddy the waters.

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by danso »

adamnemecek wrote: post #6
kragen wrote: post #5

I'm conflicted about this news. On one hand, he was one of us, and he shared his knowledge. On the other hand, he was a traitor, and he betrayed the trust of a true hero in order to put more unaccountable government power in the hands of people like Donald Trump. Who would have expected that Adrian Lamo would outlive Chelsea Manning? Did he commit suicide — as she nearly did?

Was it ever found out why he did it? I don't know the guy but it just seems like idk, what is there to gain out of this?

Here's an article about a public defense he gave back in 2010:

https://gizmodo.com/5591905/wikileaks-critic-adrian-lamo-def...

> He told the audience that he, like Manning and WikiLeaks' founder Julian Assange, had acted out of conscience. Lamo believed the cables were dangerous. "Holy fracken crap, there's 260,000 documents," he said, "Do you think you could look through those and make sure they wouldn't cause anybody's life to be lost?"

Re: Adrian Lamo has died

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Post by VectorLock »

dang wrote: post #143
VectorLock wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn't showing up as flagged when it disappeared. It is now, though.

Flags affect story ranking before the [flagged] tag appears. The tag appears when the effect of the flags exceeds a certain threshold. Since "flagged" isn't a binary state that's the only easy way to do it, but it does mean that a story's rank is sometimes affected by user flags without that being visually displayed yet. Usually it shows up after a while.

Good to know.
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