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Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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I'm yet to find a single decent alternative to Excel. It's an excellent data modeling and analysis tool. And yes, I've learned Python, R and SQL, but these tools are not a replacement for the Excel workflow.

What features are lacking specifically that LibreOffice, Google Sheets, or some other cross-platform solution doesn't have?

Good products are not just a collection of features.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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I love G-Suite, and I use it daily for documents, sheets, and mail. I can do most things I need to do in sheets. That said, Sheets is no replacement for Excel nor is the performance on par for complex and dynamic sheets. I suspect this is a general change over as a base solution for all employees. I'm sure there are still parts of Airbus that will continue using Excel, Word, etc. IMHO this speaks to the fact that Off…

Frankly, Docs, Sheets, and Slides are nowhere even close to Word, Excel, and Powerpoint in terms of feature set and usability. Sheets especially, but even in Docs and Slides I'll run into things I can't do. Where the G-Suite apps really shine, though, is in collaboration. If I'm working by myself on something, I'll likely do it in Office just because that's where I'm most comfortable. But literally everything I write…

You're right about the feature set. But, Google's products are good enough for most users. The justification for all the bloat in MS Office was always "people only use 20% of the features but each person's 20% is different." Well Google actually did a pretty good job of identifying the features that most people use. I hardly ever open up MS Office anymore (it isn't even installed on my main work computer).

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Office 365 is though. - Microsoft Teams is a [bad] Slack clone. - Microsoft Planner is a [bad] Trello clone. - Outlook.com instead of the [bad] Outlook Desktop Application - Sharepoint online for a CRM - OneNote online for a shared scratchpad. The offline versions of Excel, Word, and Power Point have no online rivals but for collaboration Office 365 is one to watch. I'd even argue it has pulled ahead of Gsuite in the…

I agree with your critique. This is just a hunch but I don't think they are ahead: - Outlook.com must be one of the worst web apps there is. Compared to Gmail it's just plain awful. - Sharepoint is decidedly one of the worst pieces of software ever built, that is if you are a developer. If you are an editor/content manager then it is possible it's just fine.

I use Outlook.com as my main email provider. And I'm managing to convince people to move off've Gmail onto it because of it's streamlined interface. What do you find wrong in it?

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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I haven't used G-Suite in years so I can't really compare it, but I use Excel online (via Office 365) to collaborate in real-time on documents with other employees all the time and it works great.

For most uses, Docs and Sheets "work". It is extremely easy to create a basic collaborative table or document. So long as you aren't stressing the sync features, everyone is on the same page. Where G-Suite suffers is in the random features that a small segment of power users swear by. The keyboard shortcuts aren't the same as what people learned in Word/Excel. There are many incompatibilities and rendering issues wit…

To add to this, WordML is super powerful. Modern .docx files are basically just big zip files. You can easily edit this and do some crazy things and MS Word will be pretty good about reflecting this in the editor. G-Docs can have some issues with modified WordML.

You can do some of these things in open formats like .odt and G-Docs will be better about this. However, there are still problems with things like pagination.

So overall, I think Docs is where you want to be unless you have some super niche use case. I don't have enough experience trying to do crazy things with Sheets to have an opinion on it vs Excel though.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Why would you assume moving to GSuite is indicative of a trend toward open-source? You have even less control than with Office.

(Disclaimer: I work on G Suite Open Source) I open sourced our developer samples this week: github.com/gsuitedevs There's an increasing amount of things you can do with G Suite, almost all our products have APIs and Apps Script libraries. If there's something missing in our APIs, feel free to let us know.

Microsoft Office has plenty of COM and VBScript APIs as well. It has really nothing to do with the product being open source.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Frankly, Docs, Sheets, and Slides are nowhere even close to Word, Excel, and Powerpoint in terms of feature set and usability. Sheets especially, but even in Docs and Slides I'll run into things I can't do. Where the G-Suite apps really shine, though, is in collaboration. If I'm working by myself on something, I'll likely do it in Office just because that's where I'm most comfortable. But literally everything I write…

Office 365 is though. - Microsoft Teams is a [bad] Slack clone. - Microsoft Planner is a [bad] Trello clone. - Outlook.com instead of the [bad] Outlook Desktop Application - Sharepoint online for a CRM - OneNote online for a shared scratchpad. The offline versions of Excel, Word, and Power Point have no online rivals but for collaboration Office 365 is one to watch. I'd even argue it has pulled ahead of Gsuite in the…

office 365 is far inferior to google docs for online collaborative document editing. You can lock the doc in office, you get into situations where it's very hard to safely have people collaborate on docs.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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I love G-Suite, and I use it daily for documents, sheets, and mail. I can do most things I need to do in sheets. That said, Sheets is no replacement for Excel nor is the performance on par for complex and dynamic sheets. I suspect this is a general change over as a base solution for all employees. I'm sure there are still parts of Airbus that will continue using Excel, Word, etc. IMHO this speaks to the fact that Off…

I think a lot of the more complex stuff excel has historically been used for has appropriately migrated to better suited analytics and data analysis platforms.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Office 365 is though. - Microsoft Teams is a [bad] Slack clone. - Microsoft Planner is a [bad] Trello clone. - Outlook.com instead of the [bad] Outlook Desktop Application - Sharepoint online for a CRM - OneNote online for a shared scratchpad. The offline versions of Excel, Word, and Power Point have no online rivals but for collaboration Office 365 is one to watch. I'd even argue it has pulled ahead of Gsuite in the…

I agree with your critique. This is just a hunch but I don't think they are ahead: - Outlook.com must be one of the worst web apps there is. Compared to Gmail it's just plain awful. - Sharepoint is decidedly one of the worst pieces of software ever built, that is if you are a developer. If you are an editor/content manager then it is possible it's just fine.

The Outlook.com app that just rolled out of Beta (and seems much more closely related to the work the ex-Accompli team has been doing with Windows Mail app that is also the iOS/Android Outlook apps) is rather good. It's probably still a few months until it rolls out to most Office 365 tenants, though.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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I agree with your critique. This is just a hunch but I don't think they are ahead: - Outlook.com must be one of the worst web apps there is. Compared to Gmail it's just plain awful. - Sharepoint is decidedly one of the worst pieces of software ever built, that is if you are a developer. If you are an editor/content manager then it is possible it's just fine.

I use Outlook.com as my main email provider. And I'm managing to convince people to move off've Gmail onto it because of it's streamlined interface. What do you find wrong in it?

It might just be a matter of preference but to me Outlook.com is an attempt to webify Outlook The Desktop Client, which was horrible to start with. But they made it worse than the desktop app.

An example: while searching in your Outlook.com "client" it enters a new state, the search state. When you are done searching there is a left arrow in the navigation panel which you can click to go back to the "normal" state of things. Awkward.

I'm a longtime Windows user, familiar with Microsoft user interfaces, but to me there is nothing to love about Outlook.com.

Re: Airbus moves 130k employees from Microsoft Office to GSuite

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Curious if Airbus moving over to GSuite has anything to do with Google Hangouts Chat launching and being included in GSuite as the final piece of the puzzle. Google didn't have an answer to Microsoft Teams, but now it does.

Do you imagine a CEO switching a whole company of this size because google released a new chat app? AFAIK those decisions are planned for a long time & costs are calculated + lost/gained productivity. What a terrible CEO would that be if they switched 130k people on a whim.
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