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Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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I don't know man, I might not be the target audience (MD of a software company) but I just don't get this. It seems only slightly more useful than say a Google spreadsheet on a platform that yes might have blocks and templates but I didn't see anything there that made me want to switch away from Google Spreadsheets, Trello and a couple of other systems I use to run my 20 person £1mm turnover business. I'll keep it in…

Spolsky's discussion of Excel is probably the best way to understand Airtable: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2012/01/06/how-trello-is-diff... > Over the next two weeks we visited dozens of Excel customers, and did not see anyone using Excel to actually perform what you would call “calculations.” Almost all of them were using Excel because it was a convenient way to create a table. > What was I talking about? Oh yeah…

If that's the target audience, then I see Airtable failing also. Surely 80% of the benefit of an excel spreadsheet, or google sheets, for a common user is how bare bones and simple to navigate the two products are?

"Oh hey, I just need to fire off some data rapidly in an organized way. Boop, done." And that's the trick, isn't it? The need to rapidly organize previously un-organized data. It's not a case of, "I know exactly how I want to rapidly organize some data."

With Airtable, it would be "I now have to navigate this decoupled spread out GUI and learn what all these abstract terms mean, when all I want to do is calculate how much we spent on ice cream last month."

In essence, it is making the workflow slower for those types of people.

On the other end of the spectrum, from a programmer's point of view, GUI's ALWAYS slow things down. This is why programmers who used VIM / Emacs were faster than those using modern IDE's. It's why hot-keys are important to both technical and non-technical workers. Presentation does not equal productivity. The presentation is what Airtable is pushing as the abstraction for non-technical users.

If the target audience for Airtable is instead small-business startups - then those startups are going to be in for a world of hurt when they need to get into real business development. They will have wasted time, energy, and resources to get set up on a lego platform that they'll need to migrate away from.

Looking at the pricing model and data limitations, there's nothing that would make this a better choice than just hooking up to AWS or something similar, directly. Using Airtable would require maintaining some form of middleware for SPA's...and there's no way in the world that you wouldn't be hitting their caps rapidly. Just an extra cost.

I'm not saying this product won't work well for a market niche, but that niche is a lot smaller than the buzz words thrown around in today's publications.

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't compare Airtable to Google Spreadsheets or Excel for that matter. It looks more like a non-buggy Web 2.0 FoxPro, an RDBMS with a user-friendly UX.

And FoxPro was great, so if Airtable is Web 2.0 FoxPro they might be onto something :)

Yes, this is actually pretty surprising in the hindsight is 20/20 way. I disagree that FoxPro was great, it had too many bugs and issues for that, but the 'concept of FoxPro' was indeed great.

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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Well deserved funding. Airtable is one of those products that really changes the way you work or even think about building workflows. I use it as a middleware for uploading content to a side project website I own. Nothing out there is as flexible and easy to use as this (their API is also a piece of cake.) They care deeply about their user experience and are always shipping features at an impressive pace. Really happ…

+10000 Airtable is badass. It is simple and elegant and fills a niche

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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Original Show HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8373914 [alternatives link removed]

all the alternatives are fairly mediocre, I tried them all. The closest thing is google spreadsheets, which really is not designed for RDBMS / light database work. You can read my review on alternativeto.net as well. https://alternativeto.net/software/airtable/reviews/

You're sounding like an irrational Airtable fanboy here.

At least Fieldbook and probably also Ragic are very similar to Airtable and fill the exact same niche, with some small diferences, and they're not mediocre at all.

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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post #120

Airtable is awesome. We have been throwing out a ton of self-built admin forms and CRUD pages by Airtable bases. Now people inside the company can add new fields, versioning by default, super simple interface. Largest con: No webhooks. Which makes you pull data every X minutes to find out if a record changed. I would throw them a lot more money (280$/month now) if they just had webhooks as it could replace a TON inte…

Likewise, I am foaming at the mouth to replace some internal google sheets with air table but as you mention, webhook capability is table stakes to front the effort.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but have you tried sharepoint? It's a horrible product for just about any use case, but ad hoc data entry forms and view for them are where it really shines. It should have more than enough API wise.

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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post #20

I like airtable, but the per-base row limits (50,000 before you reach "contact us for pricing") are too small for many of the things I'd like to use it for. And there's something a bit odd in their pricing model, isn't there? The plus tier is $10 per user per month with a limit of 5,000 records per base; the pro tier is $20 per user per month, with a limit of 50,000 records per base. Suppose I want to use it to repla…

The whole charged-per-user SaaS culture is stupid.

SaaS had to be priced somehow, then someday someone came up with the idea of charging per-user and everybody followed that up, but it is not smart. Most SMB end up sharing accounts, which makes your product look worse than it actually is and at the same time makes your users miserable.

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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post #128

I'm really happy about airtable. My use case is basically "shared access/excel-like with easier row grouping and simple projections". I used the API as well. The feature I miss most is charts/graphs. Really hope they'll add them one day.

It seems that charts exist as part of their blocks offering: https://airtable.com/blocks But only for customers in the Pro tier.

Thanks. I looked at blocks, but on a mobile view it only shows the maps option, not everything else :-(

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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post #120

Airtable is awesome. We have been throwing out a ton of self-built admin forms and CRUD pages by Airtable bases. Now people inside the company can add new fields, versioning by default, super simple interface. Largest con: No webhooks. Which makes you pull data every X minutes to find out if a record changed. I would throw them a lot more money (280$/month now) if they just had webhooks as it could replace a TON inte…

Likewise, I am foaming at the mouth to replace some internal google sheets with air table but as you mention, webhook capability is table stakes to front the effort.

You might want to look into Quick Base.[1] It is actually the little known elder statesman in this space and includes a lot of features Airtable doesn't currently support. Specific to this thread, one of them is Webhooks.[2] And while the product uses an autonumber for keys by default, you can change it and then import/update against your designated key.[3]

[1] https://www.quickbase.com

[2] https://help.quickbase.com/user-assistance/default.html#abou...

[3] https://help.quickbase.com/user-assistance/default.html#sett...

Re: Airtable gets $52M in funding

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post #135
post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Likewise, I am foaming at the mouth to replace some internal google sheets with air table but as you mention, webhook capability is table stakes to front the effort.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but have you tried sharepoint? It's a horrible product for just about any use case, but ad hoc data entry forms and view for them are where it really shines. It should have more than enough API wise.

I'm not sure if SP is actually in the same market as AT. For SP you still need a team of SP developers, not your average citizen developers.
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