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Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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"And the truth is, simplicity does not sell". BS. Some people prefer simplicity, some prefer complexity. I'm not sure where the median is, it might be on either side. Preference can be a function of many things, including culture. You can make money from either. Just know your customer.

I agree. Simplicity sells, but only when needs are met.

I only ever use 1 heat setting on my toaster. All the others are useless. If you sold me a toaster that only heated on that setting, I'd be perfectly happy. But how many other people are happy with my taste in toast? The product simply would not sell well enough.

It's the same with all the other products listed. Sure, maybe a few 'features' are unused, but without extensive market testing, you can't know which ones they are.

Digg recently removed some features... Apparently they were useful features to the community, and there were a lot of complaints about that. (Among other things.)

Facebook recently added some features... These features didn't have enough features on them, and there was a revolt. Facebook would have been fine without more features, or by adding enough new features, but they stopped somewhere in-between and paid for it.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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I am a big fan of simplicity, but I recently realized that I was going too far. It is hard to make money by just concentrating on simplicity. Most cash-cows are really complex beasts. See Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop, Oracle. If the emphasis of your product is simplicity, chances are you have to compete with free software. Joel had a presentation on this: there are dozens of simple bug tracker…

> Most cash-cows are really complex beasts. See Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, Adobe Photoshop, Oracle

I would argue that these products are cash cows not because they're complex, but because they were created and marketed at the right time and place. In fact, I would argue that these products became complex after having become cash cows, after which adding features was no longer constrained by time or budget. Microsoft Office is amazingly bloated, for instance. I would argue that 95% of its users only ever use 5% of the features.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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The problem with complexity as a feature is that it becomes a positive feedback loop. Marketers will always try to one-up the competition and this will ultimately lead to a backlash against complexity. edit: I'm too tired to make a strong case for why this will happen, however as a user who recently switched to Win7, I can assure you it will.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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So he has a marketing message: "we purchase on features", and we "equate apparent [...] complexity with power'. His solution is spot on: give the appearance of power (for purchase), but make it actually simple-to-use (for use.)

He also mentions users' "favorite features" (it's well known that we don't like having to change our behaviour, even for the better); and "“critical” features" (sometimes they aren't actually necessary; and sometimes, as Joel says, "everyone uses a different 20%" - Linus has also said this). An example of the latter, and as people have said here, is when really do need to customize a default behaviour.

Love Joel's linked comment on bootstrapping: So you sell "simple" as if it were this wonderful thing, when, coincidentally, it's the only thing you have the resources to produce. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/12/09.html

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are valid complaints, but they actually back up the author's point - You still bought the complex-looking item. That it annoys you now is irrelevant (in the author's view). He posits that even though you know you only need 2 buttons for your garage door opener, you'd still buy one with 5 buttons before you bought one with 2.

No, I didn't buy any of these things because I wanted to. Consumers don't have much choice any more. I defy you to go out and find any of these things: - a microwave with a single dial - a cell phone that rings on your land line when you're home - a garage door opener with one button - a dishwasher with a status display - a car with an analog clock - a TV with an on/off switch and a channel dial OP jumped to an unsub…

OP jumped to an unsubstantiated conclusion

Unsubstantiated? The OP is Don Norman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Norman) and he's speaking from experience. The fact that he has more experience in this branch of design than pretty much anybody else should give his argument some weight.

we could have been writing about the elephant in the room: that functional design, like journalism and sensible politics, is a lost art.

I think he was addressing this point directly, but he happens to disagree with you. Take the following as an example:

Hurrah, I said, now the entire wash can be automatic, so there need be only two controls: one to chose between “hot and colored wash” and “easy-to-clean fabrics,” the other to start the machine. Nope, this washer had even more controls and buttons than the non-automatic one. “Why even more controls? I asked my contact at Siemens, “when you could make this machines with only one or two?”.

“Are you one of those people who wants to give up control, who thinks less is better?” asked this usability expert. “Don’t you want to be in control?”

Strange answer. Why the automation if it isn’t to be trusted? And, yes, actually I am one of those bizarre people who think that less is better.

It appears that marketing won the day. And I suspect marketing was right. Would you pay more money for a washing machine with less controls? In the abstract, maybe. At the store? Probably not.

Both Norman and his friend at Siemens understood that the interface to the washing machine could have been as simple as two switches. The problem is that they need to sell washing machines when they're sitting in a row of competitive products. In their experience, people in the market for a washer tend to buy on features. And Norman never claimed that everybody buys this way, just that most people do.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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Apple, Apple, Apple.

They went from being a computer company struggling to survive to one of the world's largest and most profitable consumer electronics companies based on an obsession with simplicity and elegance.

Simplicity is hard, but get it right and the world will beat a path to your door.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I didn't buy any of these things because I wanted to. Consumers don't have much choice any more. I defy you to go out and find any of these things: - a microwave with a single dial - a cell phone that rings on your land line when you're home - a garage door opener with one button - a dishwasher with a status display - a car with an analog clock - a TV with an on/off switch and a channel dial OP jumped to an unsub…

OP jumped to an unsubstantiated conclusion Unsubstantiated? The OP is Don Norman ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Norman ) and he's speaking from experience. The fact that he has more experience in this branch of design than pretty much anybody else should give his argument some weight. we could have been writing about the elephant in the room: that functional design, like journalism and sensible politics, is a…

To blindly give your faith to someone because of who they are?

Which well known products is he credited with helping designing? There's none listed on his wiki page. Wiki does say 'The Norman Group's list of clients spans from Hertz all the way to Microsoft'.

Microsoft? Those well know UX masters? Oh dear. They are a damn sight better than some, but still way behind in true usability.

And of course there's the elephant in the room, the iPod. Which does exactly the opposite of what he claims.

And there are some howlers in the article. Like when he 'bets' the $250 toaster sells well.

Bets? Does he not know marketing 101? It's there to make the overpriced medium range toasters look cheap. It's not there to sell.

The sad fact is that UX design is still a new field and as such it's in its quackery stage. That means there's a lot of people saying things they think is true because of raindance/cargocult effects. And people will say they are amazing when they're not because they occasionally hit home runs.

Consider what the real reasons the expensive ones are more desirable than the cheap ones may be. Maybe it's because they look cheap and shit in the first place.

It's very easy to mix everything up. The iPod and iPhone have very few buttons but they look expensive. They exude status. And they sell well with simplicity. And unfortuantely for our stress levels the Apples and 37signals of this world are few and far between.

Now Don Norman, I don't know. He may be amazing, he may be not. But I can't agree with this article, but mainly because I'm now tired of badly designed tech gear. Perhaps when he was writing this in 2006 that overcomplication fatigue hadn't started sinking into society.

But note the legions of adoring fans the Apples and 37signals have created. That's worth its weight in gold.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP jumped to an unsubstantiated conclusion Unsubstantiated? The OP is Don Norman ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Norman ) and he's speaking from experience. The fact that he has more experience in this branch of design than pretty much anybody else should give his argument some weight. we could have been writing about the elephant in the room: that functional design, like journalism and sensible politics, is a…

To blindly give your faith to someone because of who they are? Which well known products is he credited with helping designing? There's none listed on his wiki page. Wiki does say 'The Norman Group's list of clients spans from Hertz all the way to Microsoft'. Microsoft? Those well know UX masters? Oh dear. They are a damn sight better than some, but still way behind in true usability. And of course there's the elepha…

To blindly give your faith to someone because of who they are?

Read my comment again. I never blindly gave him faith. I was pointing out that he's a well-known expert in this field, which is relevant when evaluating the substance of his argument.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, I didn't buy any of these things because I wanted to. Consumers don't have much choice any more. I defy you to go out and find any of these things: - a microwave with a single dial - a cell phone that rings on your land line when you're home - a garage door opener with one button - a dishwasher with a status display - a car with an analog clock - a TV with an on/off switch and a channel dial OP jumped to an unsub…

Microwave with just a dial: http://www.amazon.com/Dial-Microwave-1000W-15-0357-Category/... (there are many more). Although for what it's worth, my microwave has a "Popcorn" button that makes perfect popcorn every time. I don't have a land line so I can't help you there. Although I always know where my cell phone is. Every brand of garage door open seems to offer a single button remote ( http://www.amazon.com/Genie-G…

My wife's Audi A4 had an analog clock, although her new car has digital. I STRONGLY prefer digital. Setting the analog one was always a pain, and it didn't auto adjust for daylight savings time, like the new digital one does.

I prefer digital clocks as well, but a car adjusting for DST? That seems like a recipe for more complexity, not less. What happens when the DST rules change? Then, instead of manually adjusting the clock twice a year, you have to adjust it four times - once each time the automatic DST change occurs on the wrong date, and again each time to adjust it on the correct date.

Re: Simplicity Is Highly Overrated

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I think it is possible to have a complicated product that is made easy to use and has extra features that get 'exposed' over time for your power users to find, preferably just when they need them the first time. Complexity per-se has nothing to do with it, (over) complex problems fail just as fast as overly simplified products. The trick is to match what your application is offering to the user in such a way that the…

I think you're side stepping the point of the article which wasn't that he was arguing for complexity in design but that the general public has a tendency to "worship false images" as Don would put it. That is the impulse when comparing two products side by side in a department store setting is to go with the one with more knobbies and twiddlies. Sure there may be one with simpler interface but the purchaser may equa…

Apple's "There's an App for that" marketing is certainly demonstrating the features and capability of the iPhone, but if you think back to the iPod it had far fewer features than a lot of other players (no fm radio, no recording, fewer buttons) and still tremendously outsold everything else on the market. The ads showed people dancing around listening to music, which could have just as easily been used as a product demo for any other music player.

I wonder if it was that they got the few features they chose to implement so right that all the other players seemed broken (most notably integrating with the biggest online music store on the planet). It could also have something to do with the feature of being stylish.

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