Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

blurbusters.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

81–90 of 145 posts

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#81

Post by aphextron »

zamalek wrote: post #78
aphextron wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>How reliable are they? They are very, very good. I've owned every major HMD since the DK2 came out in 2014, and I would say the Samsung Odyssey is the best one to date. The inside-out tracking is fantastic and just as good as Lighthouse (in practical usage, not theoretically). When you consider that there is no setup involved, it makes it a no brainer that this is the way forward.

The problem I find with inside-out tracking is the range of motion. One of the most powerful concepts in VR is being able to do things with your hands when you are not looking at them. Maybe they could do inside-out tracking on the controllers?

>The problem I find with inside-out tracking is the range of motion. One of the most powerful concepts in VR is being able to do things with your hands when you are not looking at them.

Agreed, there is a bit of an occlusion issue when your arms are behind/above the HMD. I feel like they could probably solve this though, with inductive tracking like Sixsense [0] integrated into the controllers and used in conjunction with IMU/camera data.

https://www.sixense.com/platform/hardware/ [0]

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#82

Post by nsxwolf »

xenostar wrote: post #43

I'm looking forward to the next generation of VR headsets immensly. A lot of people have been quick to jump on the "VR is already dead" train, but having picked one up during Christmas this year, it's obvious how much potential is there. There are a few things that need to be accomplished before widespread adoption: - Removal of wires. It restricts movement too much and removes immersion. The new HTC headset is a ste…

Unfortunately there seems to be no end in sight to this crypto currency nonsense, and it has made GPUs double in price.

VR was already too expensive. Now it’s completely out of the question for most people. Adding an absurdly high res and high refresh HMD to the mix right now doesn’t seem like a good idea.

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#83

Post by atomi »

psyc wrote: post #57
xenostar wrote: post #43

I'm looking forward to the next generation of VR headsets immensly. A lot of people have been quick to jump on the "VR is already dead" train, but having picked one up during Christmas this year, it's obvious how much potential is there. There are a few things that need to be accomplished before widespread adoption: - Removal of wires. It restricts movement too much and removes immersion. The new HTC headset is a ste…

I agree that VR is here to stay, and most of the things people complain about will be solved within a couple of years. I get the impression that most people here are chronically underwhelmed by things. My mind is still blown by the PSVR, the least advanced of the big 3. But I'm older, and I've been waiting for this since 1990. To me the killer app is VR. Myself and everyone I know (including non-techies) got VR to ex…

Just making a branded VR game (ie. Zelda, Super Mario et al) would move VR hardware like hot cakes.

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#84

Post by mbell »

naoru wrote: post #59

Everyone says that a powerful GPU is needed to drive this thing, but I don't think that's a must. Careful art direction based on current hardware limitations can produce nice-looking virtual worlds — not photorealistic, but still immersive and fun. Nintendo pulls this thing consistently.

You also don't need to render at full resolution.

A significant benefit of higher res VR displays is not being able to physically see the pixels / screen door effect of the screen. You still get this benefit by rendering at a lower resolution and upscaling to the display resolution. Certainly you will be able to see 'render pixels', but that's a much less significant problem and just reduces the realism of the scene.

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#85

Post by nsxwolf »

naoru wrote: post #59

Everyone says that a powerful GPU is needed to drive this thing, but I don't think that's a must. Careful art direction based on current hardware limitations can produce nice-looking virtual worlds — not photorealistic, but still immersive and fun. Nintendo pulls this thing consistently.

I do not agree. I’m getting pretty tired of the shiny cartoony untextured polygon VR look. I’m ready for more R in my VR.

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#86

Post by ben_w »

robeastham wrote: post #48
non_sequitur wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dont think we're even in iPhone 1 stage - more like Motorola Razr (the old one, back in 2004/05). The real cool stuff is barely even being thought of now, let alone built and sold. Also, in a perfect world this will all just be a transition step before we get full on holodecks.

The other thing that needs to happen is that the skill, time and money required to create quality VR & AR content needs to be significantly reduced. This will come with time too. We're doing our own small part to try and make that happen with our automated 3D scanning platform ( http://realityzero.one )

From my experiences, I think there are several completely different axies of quality.

If it’s a cartoonish game, the imaging doesn’t need to be photo-realistic. If it’s ‘toon style or lit and textured by photography of real environments, the polygon count doesn’t need to be high.

What it does need, beyond the hardware, is immersive physics, and a gameplay-justified reason for why you can’t run through the furniture/wall/cable that you can no longer see. The game “I Expect You to Die” does that perfectly because you’re sitting down the whole time.

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#87

Post by mbell »

throwawayReply wrote: post #22
Analemma_ wrote: post #9

Does anyone have the GPUs to drive this tech though? I've been thinking lately that the main reason why the 2015-2016 hype about VR completely flamed out is that, on top of the ~$500 headset, you needed a new ~$1500 gaming PC to do anything with it. As a result, not enough consumers got on board to kickstart the virtuous cycle of more consumers -> more spending dollars -> more content developers -> more attractive co…

Not just GPU but display bandwidth too, 5500x3000x120Hz requires a monstrous 59.40 Gbps according to this calculator: https://k.kramerav.com/support/bwcalculator.asp For that you'd need multiple displayport cables.

I believe DisplayPort 1.4 with DSC would already support this, though I think it's pretty close to the maximum.

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#88

Post by joering2 »

psyc wrote: post #57
xenostar wrote: post #43

I'm looking forward to the next generation of VR headsets immensly. A lot of people have been quick to jump on the "VR is already dead" train, but having picked one up during Christmas this year, it's obvious how much potential is there. There are a few things that need to be accomplished before widespread adoption: - Removal of wires. It restricts movement too much and removes immersion. The new HTC headset is a ste…

I agree that VR is here to stay, and most of the things people complain about will be solved within a couple of years. I get the impression that most people here are chronically underwhelmed by things. My mind is still blown by the PSVR, the least advanced of the big 3. But I'm older, and I've been waiting for this since 1990. To me the killer app is VR. Myself and everyone I know (including non-techies) got VR to ex…

I dont think vr is iphone1. Its more like first non-smart phones lets say nokia 6110.

Its quite possible that with progress made in brains wavelengths readings, the true vr in form of iphone1 will be a head cap you put on and your view/smell/touch perceptions are overwritten by cap’s sensor. That would trully be regular vr/phone versus true vr/smartphone/iphone1

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#89

Post by astrodust »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #50
xenostar wrote: post #43

I'm looking forward to the next generation of VR headsets immensly. A lot of people have been quick to jump on the "VR is already dead" train, but having picked one up during Christmas this year, it's obvious how much potential is there. There are a few things that need to be accomplished before widespread adoption: - Removal of wires. It restricts movement too much and removes immersion. The new HTC headset is a ste…

> average computers to be able to render high frame-rates without breaking the bank High res stereo at 120Hz is never going to have to same graphics as the latest high budget big game release. Current GPUs are already very powerful, but if people have the expectations of getting the same graphics when they use VR they are going to be very frustrated.

Never is a long time. Screens can only get so good before they're pointlessly higher resolution, and at that point GPUs will keep increasing in performance.

At some point your GPU runs out of things to do.

Re: Google and LG creates VR AMOLED 120 Hz at 5500 x 3000

#90

Post by krapp »

xenostar wrote: post #43

I'm looking forward to the next generation of VR headsets immensly. A lot of people have been quick to jump on the "VR is already dead" train, but having picked one up during Christmas this year, it's obvious how much potential is there. There are a few things that need to be accomplished before widespread adoption: - Removal of wires. It restricts movement too much and removes immersion. The new HTC headset is a ste…

One problem rarely mentioned regarding VR is input. Jim Sterling mentioned this in a recent Jimquisition[0] video, and I think it's a valid criticism - the complexity required of modern games can't often be replicated with VR as well as it can with a controller and/or keyboard, certainly not improved upon. Motion controls are often not precise enough - players can do more with buttons sitting down than they can waving their limbs around.

[0]https://youtu.be/7_h6GYI8ddA?t=6m56s

Post reply on HN