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How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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It's hard to imagine Steve Jobs ever allowing a hit piece like this to get published while/if he was alive.

It's hard to imagine anyone, SJ or otherwise, having enough influence to control freedom of the press to prevent any article from being published.

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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Wow so much Siri bashing in here. I’m a daily driver and I suppose an outlier working on a now aging 6S+ but Siri has been way reliable and generally fast outside of what I’d call “harsh” environments like outside on a busy street or with poor reception. I’m able to consistently perform: - Reminders with or without location tags “add eggs to grocery list” “remind me to check oil when I get home” - Calendar events “cr…

Couple more I also use all the time:

- Alarms “set alarm 10am” “set alarm in 2 hours 1 minute about eBay” (you can have as many of these as you want, separate from timer)

- app switching “launch deliveries” “launch mail” “open Safari”

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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Siri may have stalled now but it definitely wasn’t a botched launch. And Apple maps may not work great in all cases but it did succeed in forcing Google to provide decent maps on iOS. Before Apple Maps the vector maps were an Android exclusive.

Apple Maps is like Bing: almost as good as the #1 service, but almost is not enough to make anyone care. Apple Maps is remarkably good today, doing nearly all of the important things well. Here in Australia, it's on par with Google Maps for driving (slightly worse for novel route planning, slightly better for guidance) and when travelling to major world cities I've found Apple Maps is frequently better than Google Ma…

when in major cities in China, my experience is that Google Maps is almost unusable (not due to the censorship, as I use a roaming SIM which avoids those problems, but rather due to wildly incorrect data, missing metro lines, etc), and Apple Maps is at least on par with the quality that Google Maps achieves in other countries, and often much better.

I find it interesting that Google doesn't care enough to add the most recent several metro lines in (for example) Beijing or Shanghai, considering that many people try to use Google Maps in China when visiting and usually seem to end up switching to Apple Maps as a result of the complete trash the Google Maps experience is there. I wonder if they switch back when they go home.

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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Siri's amnesia is the biggest painpoint for me. Lack of context and compounding errors when I can't extend an initial sentence makes it entirely unusable.

Anything useful requires speaking a longer sentence. Siri will interpret most of it but get one (key) word wrong, but Siri won't let me clarify my statement or add a statement without starting all over again. So I can't use Siri on top of it not understanding my accent (I've tried Australian, America and English accents and using "G'day Siri").

I know there is an NLP engine in the background deriving entity relations - just let me add some more to the same context and remember it for 30 seconds and I'll use Siri a lot more.

E.g. "Hey Siri, search the web for minumum cut graph algorithms." Siri: "Now searching for minumum cut Graaff I'll go rhythms." Me: "Graph, not graaff." Siri: "Hello, I'm a web server!" Me: throws phone out of window

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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Wow so much Siri bashing in here. I’m a daily driver and I suppose an outlier working on a now aging 6S+ but Siri has been way reliable and generally fast outside of what I’d call “harsh” environments like outside on a busy street or with poor reception. I’m able to consistently perform: - Reminders with or without location tags “add eggs to grocery list” “remind me to check oil when I get home” - Calendar events “cr…

I use it to set the alarm, a pretty basic task. Works in 6/10 cases. This is totally unacceptable in the age of “smart”.

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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> - Reminders (remind me to do X when I get home) One thing it can't do is 'remind me to do X when I leave work'. Can siri?

Yes. "Hey Siri, remind me to bring a change of clothes when I leave home." just now created an appropriate item in Reminders.

which will, of course, trigger the reminder as you walk down the street away from home, forcing you to go back and get the change of clothes that you forgot.

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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You can probably point to a lot of quality failings at Apple as starting with Steve Job's death. Apparently he failed to teach and instill a culture of high quality and instead just focused on micro-managing everything himself. Steve Jobs may go down as both the best and worst CEO Apple ever had.

One thing I feel nearly certain is that had Steve Jobs been alive, Apple would have never under any circumstances released a flagship phone and a flagship laptop simultaneously that, out of the box, had no way of connecting to each other. I still can't believe that happened.

Why do you want to connect your phone to your laptop?

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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So far unmentioned in this discussion is the only reason I use Android voice assistant: Android Auto. When I'm driving my car I obviously can't type on my phone, so I use my voice for everything: changing the navigation destination, calling for music to be played, dialing the phone and sending text messages, amusing children by asking it stupid questions, etc. I carry an iPhone on my person but I use Android in my ca…

There's an Ike's Sandwiches like literally 30 feet from my office in San Jose, and I always like to ask Siri when it closes. To this day, I've probably tried on a dozen occasions and it has never once gotten it right. I'm a native English speaker with no accent. I tried again just now, this is what I got: Me: "What time does Ike's sandwich close?" Siri heard: "What time does Eichs sandwich close" Siri responded: "Hmm…

OT but what do you mean by "English speaker with no accent"? Clearly every person has an accent, and every system that understands language must be able to understand the various accents that people have.

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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> "It was slow, when it worked at all," Williamson said. "The software was riddled with serious bugs. Those problems lie entirely with the original Siri team, certainly not me." Wow. It those were his original words, I don't doubt a bit that this guy should be responsible for Siri being left behind.

This also directly contradicts one Steve Jobs' management principles: > "Somewhere between the janitor and the CEO, reasons stop mattering," says Jobs, adding, that Rubicon is "crossed when you become a VP." > In other words, you have no excuse for failure. You are now responsible for any mistakes that happen, and it doesn't matter what you say. http://www.businessinsider.com/steve-jobs-on-the-difference-...

Conversely you get handed a pile of steaming hot shit they call legacy code(and it lacks documentation and the variables lack names that hint at any meaning) and they're telling you it's completely your fault that you couldn't get something to work properly. Getting handed a huge amount of technical debt is a very real problem.

Re: How Apple let Siri fall behind the Google Assistant and Alexa

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One thing I feel nearly certain is that had Steve Jobs been alive, Apple would have never under any circumstances released a flagship phone and a flagship laptop simultaneously that, out of the box, had no way of connecting to each other. I still can't believe that happened.

I disagree completely. By the time they shipped with incompatible cables / ports, wireless backup with iCloud, wireless sync with iTunes (who even "syncs" at all anymore...), and even wireless deployment and debugging had all been implemented. Steve wouldn't have wanted you to connect your phone to your computer in the first place. That's why iTunes got wireless sync back before everything was in the cloud. The only…

Yet, so many people plug their phone into their computer for the simple reason of charging it. Now perhaps wireless charging is coming, but the Apple cable fiasco sure inconvenienced anyone with that habit.
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