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Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by _Tev »

e12e wrote: post #6
kazinator wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much the same as Mozilla Firefox. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/993765 "I've tried to disable updates through the settings, and without fail a day or so later it's updated to the latest version again. Any thoughts?"

Except - you can check out the (old) version you want, and build it yourself? Optionally disable the update code first... [ed: there's also Firefox esr for those that need an old (if not ancient) version: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ ]

> Except - you can check out the (old) version you want, and build it yourself? Optionally disable the update code first...

I can't tell if you are serious or not. Really, this is nice example of programmers living in their bubble ... Or excellent trolling.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by _Tev »

willtim wrote: post #110
dijit wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a really nice development ecosystem I'm told. Our developers write exclusively Windows software (games company) and even though it costs us multiple millions of dollars in software licenses to run dedicated servers, the "cost of porting" is high enough to prevent people from doing it.

Can you easily accomplish the following with Windows? - install a dev environment with all tools and transient dependencies with a single command - install multiple versions of the same library and easily choose between them - install the same version of a library but built with different compiler switches The world of open source operating systems can accomplish all of the above (I use NixOS). And we get access to a…

Talking about compiler flags and need for OS-level handling of multiple library versions .. . You do know that not every dev is C dev?

And your "general consensus" isn't as general as you think, look up OS usage among developers. I have never seen source claiming 50%+ usage of Linux, and "consensus" implies much more than simple majority ...

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by _Tev »

executesorder66 wrote: post #98
colejohnson66 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because while Microsoft is one huge entity, it isn’t run the same in every department. While one department might be hugely user friendly, another won’t.

Which microsoft departments would you consider user friendly, and why?

VSCode is the most used editor (see SO survey), so I guess department making it qualifies as "user-friendly".

You can't really make sweeping statements about large orgs.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by qplex »

z3t4 wrote: post #127
qplex wrote: post #124

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There is simply no traffic on the wire other than what you actually allow. The telemetry doesn't bypass Windows firewall. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Some windows domains are white-listed and will bypass both firewall and hosts file unless you block all HTTPS traffic. https://superuser.com/questions/1207878/does-windows-firewal...

As I stated before, setting the outbound policy to drop all traffic will work.

You then allow whatever you need for your trusted executables (not svchost.exe).

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by dplgk »

zeedee wrote: post #47

- Ignores options blocking automatic updates - Installs update assistant on your machine without permission - Starts downloading updates without giving you the option to stop other than killing the process (which just restarts again in a few minutes) - Re-installs update assistant if you try to delete/uninstall or break it - Re-starts update service within minutes even if you keep disabling it - Re-boots your machine…

This worries me as I have a Win 10 computer in a house that runs off a mifi Hotspot. If windows blows through my monthly bandwidth with and unwanted undate, I'm gonna be very annoyed.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by Doxin »

imtringued wrote: post #72
yolobey wrote: post #49

Oh boy, this happened to me despite using the enterprise edition. The system forced an upgrade, despite me doing everything to stop it, and every time the upgrade crashed and I had to roll back to the previous version. Every day. I spent a month like this, on an always-on system, trying to shut down the upgrade downloader from the task bar whenever I can after failing to stop it from settings, group policy, horsing a…

Yes. I've had this issue on almost every version of windows so far. As usual with Windows the only way to fix these issues is by reinstalling the operating system. After decades Microsoft still doesn't have a working update solution. Compare this with most linux distributions. The updates can run in the background, the update process is often significantly faster and finishes in a few minutes and finally I don't need…

Another note for people unfamiliar with linux: Even in the case of a kernel update you can just reboot whenever. There's nothing prompting you or forcing you to do it at any specific time.

Windows update is definitely my #1 reason to switch to linux.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by e12e »

_Tev wrote: post #131
e12e wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except - you can check out the (old) version you want, and build it yourself? Optionally disable the update code first... [ed: there's also Firefox esr for those that need an old (if not ancient) version: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/organizations/ ]

> Except - you can check out the (old) version you want, and build it yourself? Optionally disable the update code first... I can't tell if you are serious or not. Really, this is nice example of programmers living in their bubble ... Or excellent trolling.

Fair enough... To a point. I can check it out, build it, and email you a copy. Or some other friend could.

With Windows, all I can do is suggest you switch to Ubuntu or something.

Re: Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 PCs specifically set to block updates

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Post by willtim »

_Tev wrote: post #132
willtim wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you easily accomplish the following with Windows? - install a dev environment with all tools and transient dependencies with a single command - install multiple versions of the same library and easily choose between them - install the same version of a library but built with different compiler switches The world of open source operating systems can accomplish all of the above (I use NixOS). And we get access to a…

Talking about compiler flags and need for OS-level handling of multiple library versions .. . You do know that not every dev is C dev? And your "general consensus" isn't as general as you think, look up OS usage among developers. I have never seen source claiming 50%+ usage of Linux, and "consensus" implies much more than simple majority ...

> You do know that not every dev is C dev?

C libraries are often transitive dependencies of higher-level language libraries, e.g. for Haskell or Python. Using language-specific package managers often fails to properly handle such transitive dependencies.

> look up OS usage among developers

This doesn't indicate personal preference. My whole team is forced to develop on Windows at work, we would all rather use Linux, as we deploy to Linux and our tools, e.g. Git, work better on Linux. But such are the constraints of working in a corporate environment.

I use a Linux development environment for my personal projects.

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