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Re: Launch HN: EnvKey (YC W18) – Smart Configuration and Secrets Management

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Post by danenania » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 10:45 AM UTC

gingerlime wrote: post #57

danenania wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for laying out your concerns. Is your feeling that any sort of usage-based tiers that go beyond per-user pricing are too complex? Or is there some way to limit usage in a reasonable way that wouldn't rub you the wrong way?

Just to clarify, I truly believe it's in your interest to make pricing simpler. It just helps building trust, and conveys the same product simplicity. This is key (no pun intended) with this kind of service. Specifically, I think per-developer pricing should correlate well with value. Sharing secrets increases in complexity when more people are involved. One other thing I can think of perhaps is environments. Maybe b…

Thanks for your thoughts. I've decided to take out the config request/server limits and wait until this is actually a problem to deal with it.

We'll probably need to put some sort of sanity check rate limits in place eventually, but I really don't want people be confused or have to worry about this stuff while using EnvKey.

Pricing is hard :-/ Thanks again!

Re: Launch HN: EnvKey (YC W18) – Smart Configuration and Secrets Management

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Post by gingerlime » Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 8:50 PM UTC

danenania wrote: post #61

gingerlime wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, I truly believe it's in your interest to make pricing simpler. It just helps building trust, and conveys the same product simplicity. This is key (no pun intended) with this kind of service. Specifically, I think per-developer pricing should correlate well with value. Sharing secrets increases in complexity when more people are involved. One other thing I can think of perhaps is environments. Maybe b…

Thanks for your thoughts. I've decided to take out the config request/server limits and wait until this is actually a problem to deal with it. We'll probably need to put some sort of sanity check rate limits in place eventually, but I really don't want people be confused or have to worry about this stuff while using EnvKey. Pricing is hard :-/ Thanks again!

It is indeed. Keeping things simple, at least in the beginning is the best approach in my opinion. You can always add things later as you grow! But now you should focus mostly on growing :)

Re: Launch HN: EnvKey (YC W18) – Smart Configuration and Secrets Management

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Post by techdragon » Thu, Mar 15, 2018, 3:13 AM UTC

danenania wrote: post #61

gingerlime wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to clarify, I truly believe it's in your interest to make pricing simpler. It just helps building trust, and conveys the same product simplicity. This is key (no pun intended) with this kind of service. Specifically, I think per-developer pricing should correlate well with value. Sharing secrets increases in complexity when more people are involved. One other thing I can think of perhaps is environments. Maybe b…

Thanks for your thoughts. I've decided to take out the config request/server limits and wait until this is actually a problem to deal with it. We'll probably need to put some sort of sanity check rate limits in place eventually, but I really don't want people be confused or have to worry about this stuff while using EnvKey. Pricing is hard :-/ Thanks again!

As a huge fan, who has already introduced it to some other companies who have become customers, I can understand the change in pricing, however I find the abrupt removal of an “individual user level” a little frustrating. I have been ardently telling all who would listen they should try it, even on a tiny personal project, however for these solo developers, the price to continue using the product for their personal projects has now quadrupled! I’d sincerely recommend you reintroduce a ‘1 user’ tier, perhaps at 5 dollars.

Re: Launch HN: EnvKey (YC W18) – Smart Configuration and Secrets Management

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Post by danenania » Thu, Mar 15, 2018, 3:50 PM UTC

techdragon wrote: post #63

danenania wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your thoughts. I've decided to take out the config request/server limits and wait until this is actually a problem to deal with it. We'll probably need to put some sort of sanity check rate limits in place eventually, but I really don't want people be confused or have to worry about this stuff while using EnvKey. Pricing is hard :-/ Thanks again!

As a huge fan, who has already introduced it to some other companies who have become customers, I can understand the change in pricing, however I find the abrupt removal of an “individual user level” a little frustrating. I have been ardently telling all who would listen they should try it, even on a tiny personal project, however for these solo developers, the price to continue using the product for their personal p…

Thanks, I think having an indie tier for a single developer is a good idea. Will get this implemented soon.