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Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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Dammit. I keep resisting the lure of the iPad, but when jwz weighs in... Must. Wait. For. Next. Version. You know, the smaller one with the front facing camera. So my kids can do FaceTime with their grandparents. Or the one with a (dare I hope) retina display. I guess that's probably a few versions out.

One of the perks/tricks of Apple ownership is the hardware retains its value. When next year's model comes out I'll probably flip my iPad for ~$75-$100 less than I paid for it. (depends if Apple drops the price or not)

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Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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Dammit. I keep resisting the lure of the iPad, but when jwz weighs in... Must. Wait. For. Next. Version. You know, the smaller one with the front facing camera. So my kids can do FaceTime with their grandparents. Or the one with a (dare I hope) retina display. I guess that's probably a few versions out.

The lack of a front facing camera is a common complaint but honestly (owning an iPad that I love and use all the time) I don't think the use case is as cut and dried as that. Video calls are most often made with a desktop computer or laptop. Laptops have a camera at the top of the screen. Most Webcams are attached to the top of monitors. So you are typically eye level with a desktop webcam or just above with a laptop…

>I'm not going backwards, I don't care how much lighter it might be.

I agree. It doesn't weight much more than a paper tablet (or at least it doesn't feel like it) and that's one of the things it replaced for me. For me the size is perfect.

Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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Everyone always leads in with the "I thought it was useless" bit. Did they really? Haven't they used a digital picture frame and though "Gosh, wouldn't it be cool if this could show the weather...and had a web browser...and let me play movies from my server..." I find it difficult to believe that so many intelligent people (of which jwz is definitely one) purportedly couldn't see the obvious appeal. I've been using s…

> Haven't they used a digital picture frame and though "Gosh, wouldn't it be cool if this could show the weather...and had a web browser...and let me play movies from my server..." Yes, I have had those thoughts. I also thought "I'd be willing to pay $5 for that. Oh well." So sure I understand that these things are appealing for coffee tables or salesmen, but I (still) don't see myself using one very much.

Is there anything you would pay a realistic price for? You seem to vastly undervalue what things are worth. Of course you'll probably say "that's what it's worth to me", but is that correct? Is the time saving and convenience really only bringing $5 worth of value to your life? That would mean it saves you about an hour of time across the entire lifetime of the product (assuming a very low value for what your time is worth).

Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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It's an instant-on appliance with a real web browser and real mail reader on a real screen. I guess that's the selling point right there. It's not a computer that requires booting and starting up system services and logging in. It's an appliance you can immediately turn on and start using.

By that estimate my computer is an appliance too - I just open the lid, and it is on. Why more people don't do this, I don't know.

That is handy but it is not the same thing. When you close the lid things are getting written to the hard rive. This means you shouldn't move it around until the light starts "breathing" or you risk data loss (afaik this doesn't apply with an SD drive however). With the iPad there is no startup/shutdown time.

Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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Dammit. I keep resisting the lure of the iPad, but when jwz weighs in... Must. Wait. For. Next. Version. You know, the smaller one with the front facing camera. So my kids can do FaceTime with their grandparents. Or the one with a (dare I hope) retina display. I guess that's probably a few versions out.

The lack of a front facing camera is a common complaint but honestly (owning an iPad that I love and use all the time) I don't think the use case is as cut and dried as that. Video calls are most often made with a desktop computer or laptop. Laptops have a camera at the top of the screen. Most Webcams are attached to the top of monitors. So you are typically eye level with a desktop webcam or just above with a laptop…

> I'm not saying they won't add a front facing camera but just think about the practicalities of it.

What if the camera wasn't fixed in one direction?

Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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Dammit. I keep resisting the lure of the iPad, but when jwz weighs in... Must. Wait. For. Next. Version. You know, the smaller one with the front facing camera. So my kids can do FaceTime with their grandparents. Or the one with a (dare I hope) retina display. I guess that's probably a few versions out.

One of the perks/tricks of Apple ownership is the hardware retains its value. When next year's model comes out I'll probably flip my iPad for ~$75-$100 less than I paid for it. (depends if Apple drops the price or not)

... mind wanders...

I see the potential to merge two great internet themes: apple fans and gold bugs. Rather than harken to yesteryear, we should use Apple products as a "store of value"!

Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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Dammit. I keep resisting the lure of the iPad, but when jwz weighs in... Must. Wait. For. Next. Version. You know, the smaller one with the front facing camera. So my kids can do FaceTime with their grandparents. Or the one with a (dare I hope) retina display. I guess that's probably a few versions out.

The lack of a front facing camera is a common complaint but honestly (owning an iPad that I love and use all the time) I don't think the use case is as cut and dried as that. Video calls are most often made with a desktop computer or laptop. Laptops have a camera at the top of the screen. Most Webcams are attached to the top of monitors. So you are typically eye level with a desktop webcam or just above with a laptop…

I'd love to know what you actually do with yours. Every single use case I could come up with for the iPad was totally destroyed by the iPhone 4, which has 80% the resolution but fits in my pocket. If a new iPad came out with a reasonable screen I could totally see it being an awesome device, but at 1024x768 people really just need to learn to hold their iPhone 4 closer to their face.

Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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The lack of a front facing camera is a common complaint but honestly (owning an iPad that I love and use all the time) I don't think the use case is as cut and dried as that. Video calls are most often made with a desktop computer or laptop. Laptops have a camera at the top of the screen. Most Webcams are attached to the top of monitors. So you are typically eye level with a desktop webcam or just above with a laptop…

Not quite digital out, but with the new Apple TV (another 99 bucks to Steve) you should be able to play iTunes video through to your TV from your iPad via the AppleTV.

I ordered the Apple TV right after Chris Martin finished singing off key.

Not because I'm utterly convinced of its utility but because for $99 I don't really care if it doesn't meet my expectations.

Re: Zawinski: iPad just-slightly insufficiently futurey

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I'd add.. I was surprised how quickly touch typing came. I'm not nearly as fast as I am on a normal keyboard, but still much faster than my thumbs on an iPhone. Certainly fast enough to write chunky emails or blog posts.. if anything, the minor slowdown is an encouragement to write more vigorously.

They probably need a new name for touch typing on glass, since the flat uninterrupted surface means you aren't typing by touch, and the size of the screen means you're almost certainly looking at the keyboard to some degree and touch typing implies you aren't.
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