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Re: Developer Survey Results

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post #31

FTA : > Race and Ethnicity > Sexual Orientation Could we agree that : 1/ a coder is a coder, no matter his color, his sexual orientation, his whatever 2/ the notion of "race" is problematic at best And before I get down voted : who cares about a statistic about sexual orientation or ethnicity in a survey about IT ? I mean honestly.

And why group "white" and European descent together? Too much diversity that doesn't actually count as diversity?

Re: Developer Survey Results

#122

I quite enjoy the irony that Coffeescript—a language apparently invented to make Javascript more palatable—is the third most dreaded language in the survey.

Atom is written entirely in Javascript and I can edit it however I want??? Thats AWESOME!

Wait its written in coffescript...fuck you.

That's a replay of a real life experience that went down when I first heard of Atom.

Re: Developer Survey Results

#125

The "Platforms" answers are hard to believe, or let's say it's hard for me to believe that they are remotely representative of the overall developer population. 18% claim to have done development work for macOS. That's more than for iOS, which is neck and neck with Raspberry Pi. What's going on here? Have web devs simply checked all platform boxes?

It's also really strange (to me) how no PHP frameworks or CMS made the cut.

Really, really peculiar to me was that no blockchain platforms were included. Would have been particularly interesting imho in relation to salaries and experience levels.

Re: Developer Survey Results

#126

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

> you can be labeled as sexist

You'd have to take those data points in isolation and conclude "men like money more than women" to earn that label.

I don't think anyone is surprised to see evidence that an exclusive workplace culture contributes to the pay gap. I'd posit that all else being equal, women value compensation and culture about the same as men. The priorities reflected in the survey are a symptom of the problem, not the cause.

Re: Developer Survey Results

#127

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

> Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist. How can you be labeled sexist if you point out a simple fact?

You already know the answer to this. The context of your fact-based statement is where it's meaning (and any offence/labeling) is derived from, not the fact itself, and in this case the person you are responding to is adding an additional fact without citation:

This is the "simple" fact:

> Women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender" in a StackOverflow survey targeted at people (mostly developers) who use stackoverflow

This is the additional fact that has been added:

> [that fact is] a contributing factor for the pay gap

And then the phrase

> you can be labeled as sexist

is added, which of course can be applied to anything anyone ever says about anything gender related.

If you deliberately add unsubstantiated information to a fact you will probably be called out for it, and rightly so (IMO).

Re: Developer Survey Results

#128
post #5

With all the talk of Vim vs. Emacs, it surprises me that Emacs is in the low single digits, while Vim is 25% of all respondents. It does not surprise me that it is 40% (and #1) amongst sysadmin/devops practitioners.

That's because vim and emacs have different purposes and the choices were not exclusive. I use emacs and even I know enough vim to get around and use it regularly. 25% of people claim to use vim, but for what? Occasional editing of individual files? In contrast, those emacs users almost certainly use emacs for everything .

This is my understanding as well. I “use” vim a few times a year for the past 30 years using only a half dozen commands (xaiwqyp). But I never use emacs other than playing around once a decade or so.

To get a good vi v emacs question you’d want to ask “what is your primary text editing environment?” Or something like that.

Re: Developer Survey Results

#129
post #12

Cool to see Redis to be in top position. For what is worth, Redis confessed to love developers, so it is definitely a reciprocal feeling. Btw surprised to see "contributing to OSS" at ~50%. Looks like an incredibly high number (cit. Trump), so would be awesome to see this question more fine grained next time. This may be an indirect measure of all the work that goes into OSS to make it sustainable. I would like to se…

Definitely deserved for Redis, so thanks to you!

And I completely agree about the OSS - this makes me really question the sampling bias of this whole survey, because there's no way so many developers contribute to OSS. Unless you really do mean something like "reporting issues", etc, in which case i'd still guess the real number was below 10%.

Re: Developer Survey Results

#130

Two unrelated remarks: I'm surprised that Elixir was the 6th most loved language last year and disappeared this time, while Erlang gained some points. Was it even in the survey? Also it's interesting that women placed compensation at 4th in "Differences in Assessing Jobs by Gender", but if you point that fact as a contributing factor for the pay gap you can be labeled as sexist.

Just started my first Elixir project using Phoenix since I needed something that could handle a large message volume and scale. I'm a bit surprised how good it is!
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