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Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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I'd argue that a cross-internet reputation service would fix this problem. 1. The reputation system is affected by voting on all sites in which you participate. 2. The history of your participation across sites is viewable in your history (ala reddit, HN) 3. Your reputation is displayed with you participation wherever you participate. Sites could then put reputation limits only allowing users above a certain reputati…

So you're suggesting the Black Mirror Nose dive approach?

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

#102
Aside from the degenerate cases like “kill all white men” or “liberalism is a mental disorder”, one man’s “toxic comment” is another man’s “common sense”. And as frustrating as it may be to SV digital overlords they don’t get to decide which is which, at least not without unpleasant repercussions down the line.

So there’s really no way to solve this. There is a way to contain it somewhat: create homogeneous bubbles. Which is what we’ve been observing over the past few years.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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It's worth noting that instead of community management, Reddit has been soft-pivoting to become a new Facebook with features like group chat, new profile designs, and a News Feed-esque view on the official mobile apps. Incidentally, Facebook itself hasn't solved the problem of its community/fake news, hence the recent algorithmic changes to the News Feed to surface more content from friends, and a public push toward…

They couldn't make enough money with their current monetization model so they're copying the arguably most successful player in their market (FB). It'll be interesting to see how it plays out because of reddit's "anonymity", its lack of real social connections (friends, family, that cute person who sits next you you in econ), or any kind networked apps (whatsapp, instagram, messenger, ...).

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

#104
post #46

So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…

I think nextdoor does this model and it’s still notorious for trolling/internet fights.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

#105
post #95

I'd argue that a cross-internet reputation service would fix this problem. 1. The reputation system is affected by voting on all sites in which you participate. 2. The history of your participation across sites is viewable in your history (ala reddit, HN) 3. Your reputation is displayed with you participation wherever you participate. Sites could then put reputation limits only allowing users above a certain reputati…

While that would be a huge problem, also think about communities where RL anonymity is a necessity. The recent Twitter idea to verify every user only works when people are willing to put their full name out there, but as we've seen on facebook that doesn't really stop anything - these are not really CEOs of respected companies, they're nobodies playing with the little bit of power they have in their lives.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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post #101
post #95

I'd argue that a cross-internet reputation service would fix this problem. 1. The reputation system is affected by voting on all sites in which you participate. 2. The history of your participation across sites is viewable in your history (ala reddit, HN) 3. Your reputation is displayed with you participation wherever you participate. Sites could then put reputation limits only allowing users above a certain reputati…

So you're suggesting the Black Mirror Nose dive approach?

When I watched that, I thought of "Facebook Hell Universe". Because I think that's what Zuck would want - having a reputation system under his control and control of everyone under it.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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post #95

I'd argue that a cross-internet reputation service would fix this problem. 1. The reputation system is affected by voting on all sites in which you participate. 2. The history of your participation across sites is viewable in your history (ala reddit, HN) 3. Your reputation is displayed with you participation wherever you participate. Sites could then put reputation limits only allowing users above a certain reputati…

My intuition screams that this is a bad idea. It's like an Internet credit rating / popularity contest combined.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

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post #92
post #46

So we've tried: - Real identities (Facebook comments) - Voting and self moderation (Reddit, HN, etc.) - Strong moderation (Reddit, HN) They all result in toxic comments, trolling, an echo chamber,or worse, a complete lack of participation. There's no real solution to this problem. However, if you create consequences or a cost to commenting you'd eliminate toxic comments and trolling at the cost of less participation…

Relate 'karma' to the ability to post at all? More karma, more posting; less karma, less posting. Everyone starts every month/week/day with only so much, no roll-over per timeframe. Modify it so that 'popular' threads cost more to post in. You can give karma to others too via the upvote and take it away with a downvote, but still no roll-over. Troll/shill accounts would still get upped around en masse , but less so a…

Are you saying this would create less of an echo chamber?

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

#109
post #95

I'd argue that a cross-internet reputation service would fix this problem. 1. The reputation system is affected by voting on all sites in which you participate. 2. The history of your participation across sites is viewable in your history (ala reddit, HN) 3. Your reputation is displayed with you participation wherever you participate. Sites could then put reputation limits only allowing users above a certain reputati…

Even if you can make that work, that will only lead to the tyranny of the majority. You're filtering for the most common denominator opinions. I wouldn't want to be a part of this kind of sterilized community.

And how will you solve brigading? All it takes is two large groups disagreeing on something, and your reputation goes down the drain if you're in the slightly smaller group.

Re: Reddit and the Struggle to Detoxify the Internet

#110
post #95

I'd argue that a cross-internet reputation service would fix this problem. 1. The reputation system is affected by voting on all sites in which you participate. 2. The history of your participation across sites is viewable in your history (ala reddit, HN) 3. Your reputation is displayed with you participation wherever you participate. Sites could then put reputation limits only allowing users above a certain reputati…

Allow me to poke holes:

- You've just created opportunities for sites who don't participate to attract customers. "No reputation requirements, we don't judge you". Great for curated niches, bad for mass market.

- People with diverging but still main stream political views getting their reputation docked by those in the other camp who control the site. It can flow both ways. Reputation starts to get linked to the echo chamber, in that those who don't echo the same get docked.

- Someone hacks you and starts messing up your rep across multiple sites.

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