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As a museum educator turned classroom teacher, this resonates with me.

Readings that may be relevant to those who find this Twitter thread intriguing:

- "On the Wildness of Children," on what kind of educational experiences we might imagine for our children if we consider what children are like first: http://carolblack.org/on-the-wildness-of-children/

- "Deschooling Society" (on my reading list): https://archive.org/embed/DeschoolingSociety

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Pullout: "We had one student on the edge of homelessness, was $400 short on bills and almost had to quit because of that. I personally loaned him the money, and his income moved from $10/hr to $70k+/yr. It only took $400, but he didn’t have anywhere to get that from. Insane."

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In the UK at least, 2 isn't true, loads of universities do follow ups to find out where you are and what you earn and then advertise their post-degree employment rates.

I, perhaps cynically, think some universities have even started "hacking" that process. In Nottingham you can hire graduates from either of our 2 big universities where the University pays part of their salary! [1]

[1] https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/careers/employers/vacancy-adver...

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Very interesting thread. I want to know how to measure effectiveness, beyond "got a job". I think there is more to it than that, and getting a job doesn't work as a yardstick in many contexts (e.g. most commercial training where everyone already has a job.)

"99% of people, when left long blocks of time alone to work on something without anyone to be accountable to, will watch Netflix." I have to agree with this, and yet the appeal remains a deep mystery to me.

It's also worth noting that a number of those points are specific to the US system. Basically anything involving money. The maximum tuition LambdaSchool (OP's school) charges for six months is almost enough for three years of tuition here in the UK, or about 50 years in Germany.

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Some other surprising things about school:

- parents care more about extracurricular and athletic pursuits than academic. They'll help their kids play a sport, but rather than try to help their children learn, they'll complain that the teachers are not doing their jobs

- children react to changes in environment the same way adults do, but this isn't considered by schools because they know the students have no choice but to comply

- many children still go hungry at school, making learning difficult to impossible

- one in ten children are diagnosed with ADHD; somewhere between 1 in 20 and 1 in 10 may be on stimulants, antipsychotics, antidepressants, etc

- private schools may pay half the salaries of public school teachers, and their curriculums are not as strict (virtuslly no required curriculum)

- children are still told today (by teachers) that they will be destitute and homeless if they do not go to college, but they do not provide any extra assistance either, making them either extra stressed or give up

- teachers pay, pensions, etc and overall school budgets are still cut short by politicians whenever they need to trim their budgets, while other areas of budgets are increased

- children in 8th grade often have a 3rd grade reading level in many parts of the country, but especially major cities with a history of segregation and a lack of access to jobs

- some kids are still booted from one school to the next and used as scape goats if anything negative is on their transcript

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Some other surprising things about school: - parents care more about extracurricular and athletic pursuits than academic. They'll help their kids play a sport, but rather than try to help their children learn, they'll complain that the teachers are not doing their jobs - children react to changes in environment the same way adults do, but this isn't considered by schools because they know the students have no choice…

- There are large numers of people who think, at least in the US, that paying taxes so that other people's kids might get ahead is a dumb idea.

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In the UK at least, 2 isn't true, loads of universities do follow ups to find out where you are and what you earn and then advertise their post-degree employment rates. I, perhaps cynically, think some universities have even started "hacking" that process. In Nottingham you can hire graduates from either of our 2 big universities where the University pays part of their salary! [1] [1] https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/car…

My hunch is that these surveys would suffer from

1. selection bias (unemployed or low-income graduates would feel embarrassed to respond)

2. the mean of the (biased) sample being much higher than the median (die to outliers)

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Some other surprising things about school: - parents care more about extracurricular and athletic pursuits than academic. They'll help their kids play a sport, but rather than try to help their children learn, they'll complain that the teachers are not doing their jobs - children react to changes in environment the same way adults do, but this isn't considered by schools because they know the students have no choice…

I can help my children to learn sport and I can help them learn math. I can not help them learn subjects I have long forgotten or was never good at in the first place.

I dont expect teachers to teach my kids sport, I do expect them to teach math and history. Not sure what is wrong with that.

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Pullout: "We had one student on the edge of homelessness, was $400 short on bills and almost had to quit because of that. I personally loaned him the money, and his income moved from $10/hr to $70k+/yr. It only took $400, but he didn’t have anywhere to get that from. Insane."

It's self-contradictory - he did have somewhere to get it from :)

I'm only half-joking; I think the problem here is lack of information. That the student was likely to move from $10/h to $70k/y is something that the teachers might know, but random lenders probably don't.

On the other hand, I don't know if I want to see financial companies partnering with schools to provide loans - seems ripe for abuse.

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