In fact, he acted like a bounty hunter : chasing wrongdoers ( companies that do not comply with the GPLv2) for his own personal gain. If you are serious about the GPL license, you should also be serious about punishing companies that violate it. And if the Free Software Foundation has not enough guns, why not let bounty hunters do the job ?
Because the goal is achieving compliance (something that would benefit everyone), not punishment (something that just benefits the author).
Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
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Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#42Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like McHardy has only dropped one of his "over 38" cases, due to the potential for a much more expensive, risky legal battle. What's to prevent him from continuing his activities in other jurisdictions under less savvy judges? Also, how is this a victory by Linux? I see no mention of activity by the rest of the Linux community while Geniatech fought the legal battle.
Follow his activities(news about law suits are followed by FSF and GNU anyway) and contact litigators to inform them that he does not represent any open source contributions for these groups.
Then he has no leg to stand (and sue) on.
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#43Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like McHardy has only dropped one of his "over 38" cases, due to the potential for a much more expensive, risky legal battle. What's to prevent him from continuing his activities in other jurisdictions under less savvy judges? Also, how is this a victory by Linux? I see no mention of activity by the rest of the Linux community while Geniatech fought the legal battle.
The companies can make him go away simply by complying with the GPL, no?
While what McHardy is doing may not be the most diplomatic stunt, it's kind of hard for me to sympathize when the companies wouldn't have to pay anything if they would just comply with the GPL license.
If you don't want to comply with the GPL, use BSD or something.
Am I missing something or could these companies sidestep all the legal BS with a minimal amount of effort.
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
But if the licence is not enforced, then what's the point of writing it or using it ? Put it under WTFL. Shorter, less paper work.
If it was under WTFL, the company would be able to release everything closed-source, which is exactly what the open source community is trying to discourage. It also makes no sense to sue the companies violating the licenses. They would be more inclined to move to a closed-source option with a known fee, since the very product you are using has an ambiguous cost attached to it. For example, I have deep disdain for pe…
It makes perfect sense to sue a company that fails to comply with the license. What doesn't make sense is for anyone with a two line contribution to the kernel to sue anyone for not complying with the license. I like the way free software enforcement organizations approach this currently. Represent the community as a whole, ask nicely first, sue if that doesn't lead to compliance.
> For example, I have deep disdain for people who build up WordPress or Drupal sites for clients and flat out refuse to let the customer have their code, but that still doesn't mean they should get sued to oblivion, no matter how much I disagree with this practice.
It means that they should comply with the license or possibly face legal consequences. If that means that they'll get sued to oblivion, that's their responsibility. If the customer can't see the code, however, there's a chance that the customer doesn't have a copy of the software (e.g. if it's running on a server that the contractor is maintaining) in which case GPLv2 doesn't give the customer the right to see the code making the example completely irrelevant.
> If you are for open source, you want to actively encourage the use of these platforms (regardless if you think they are trash) instead of having these people move over to some equally bad system. This is worse for the OSS community.
Why would I want to encourage anyone to build a platform using my GPLv2 software if they don't honor the license? Their use of my software gives no value to me if their changes aren't public. If a system is built on a Linux kernel that we never get to see the source of, its value compared to "some equally bad system" is exactly that, equal. It's proprietary software, and the only difference from some other proprietary system is that it's also illegal.
So as the proprietor of a piece of GPL software that gets used illegally, you're given the choice of a) having the non-compliant user continue violating your rights, the free software community having absolutely nothing to gain from it, or b) having the non-compliant user forced by a court to comply with the license, release the contribution and pay damages to you. The choice seems simple.
> It's also worse for the customer, since hidden fees for MS or Oracle will be tacked onto the product price.
In which case the company will have a hard time competing with the many others that are able to honor free software licenses and both benefit from and contribute to the free software community. How bad is that?
> If word got out, even those who follow GPLv2 to a T would have reason to be nervous, so they'd just migrate off the platform as well.
It's a very simple license to honor. If you don't want to honor it it means that you are either too lazy to care about licenses or that you've made changes of a proprietary nature that you don't want to share. Either way, malevolent.
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#45This would have never happed with any GNU project, or OpenLayers, etc.
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#46Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like McHardy has only dropped one of his "over 38" cases, due to the potential for a much more expensive, risky legal battle. What's to prevent him from continuing his activities in other jurisdictions under less savvy judges? Also, how is this a victory by Linux? I see no mention of activity by the rest of the Linux community while Geniatech fought the legal battle.
The Linux community suspended McHardy from being a core developer. The stable branch maintainer said the lawsuits "have threatened the confidence in our ecosystem". And the technical advisory board is asking developers to sign a statement that they are not seeking financial gain.
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#47I'll admit this is offtopic, but why on earth do they insist on putting an unrelated video on autoplay at the top of the page? I'm there to read the article and just when I've read the first few sentences, I get distracted by movement and the sound of Linux Torvalds' voice. Something about DRM and GPLv3 which are not at all related to the article contents. Sure, it might be an interesting video, but on autoplay... re…
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#48Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like McHardy has only dropped one of his "over 38" cases, due to the potential for a much more expensive, risky legal battle. What's to prevent him from continuing his activities in other jurisdictions under less savvy judges? Also, how is this a victory by Linux? I see no mention of activity by the rest of the Linux community while Geniatech fought the legal battle.
I also don't understand how this is even an issue. The companies can make him go away simply by complying with the GPL, no? While what McHardy is doing may not be the most diplomatic stunt, it's kind of hard for me to sympathize when the companies wouldn't have to pay anything if they would just comply with the GPL license . If you don't want to comply with the GPL, use BSD or something. Am I missing something or cou…
That's not clear. If you copy someone's work and don't have a license to use it then you've violated the copyright holder's rights. Just because you come into compliance with a license to copy the work doesn't absolve the violating party of the original liability.
Additionally, there is some disagreement specifically around the GPLv2 and license re-instatement; specifically, it's not clear that license re-instatement is possible in the face of unwilling copyright holders.
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If it was under WTFL, the company would be able to release everything closed-source, which is exactly what the open source community is trying to discourage. Apparently they already can. If there is no enforcement, what prevents anybody from doing it ? Good will. > but that still doesn't mean they should get sued to oblivion, no matter how much I disagree with this practice. Remove "should" and "to oblivion", and t…
Yup, all of that is strange. Because if enforcement is rare, then a simple risk analysis allows everyone to leech without contributing back. Even more so if the only punishment you may have is "comply" (publishing code that is tied to your own personal hardware is not that much a problem, I think). Now that everybody knows the true political aim of the GPLv3 and that we know the pragmatism of BSD and others, I wonder…
Code tied to your own hardware can lead to reverse engineering and creating other software to be used with said hardware. This is a good thing (for the user) though.
Re: Linux beats legal threat from one of its own developers
#50Unless I'm missing something, it sounds like McHardy has only dropped one of his "over 38" cases, due to the potential for a much more expensive, risky legal battle. What's to prevent him from continuing his activities in other jurisdictions under less savvy judges? Also, how is this a victory by Linux? I see no mention of activity by the rest of the Linux community while Geniatech fought the legal battle.
I also don't understand how this is even an issue. The companies can make him go away simply by complying with the GPL, no? While what McHardy is doing may not be the most diplomatic stunt, it's kind of hard for me to sympathize when the companies wouldn't have to pay anything if they would just comply with the GPL license . If you don't want to comply with the GPL, use BSD or something. Am I missing something or cou…