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Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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That just means we should treat low level criminals humanely. Four years is plenty. The thing where decade plus sentences are fairly common is unique in the first world: only in America. It’s barbaric and embarrassing. The science is pretty unambiguous—a high likelihood of being caught and punished is a better deterrent than a low-probability but larger punishment. So I don’t want to see this doctor get a 40-year sen…

Street dealers, "low level" or not, do actually kill their clients. Prison sentences for dealing hard drugs should be in line with prison sentences for murder, otherwise the implication is that the lives of drug users are much less valuable than the lives of regular people.

Manslaughter is different from murder.. selling someone something that they use to kill themselves, is different from selling something stronger than they anticipated, is also different from pulling the trigger yourself. Intent matters in the eye of the law.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

#52
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just means we should treat low level criminals humanely. Four years is plenty. The thing where decade plus sentences are fairly common is unique in the first world: only in America. It’s barbaric and embarrassing. The science is pretty unambiguous—a high likelihood of being caught and punished is a better deterrent than a low-probability but larger punishment. So I don’t want to see this doctor get a 40-year sen…

Street dealers, "low level" or not, do actually kill their clients. Prison sentences for dealing hard drugs should be in line with prison sentences for murder, otherwise the implication is that the lives of drug users are much less valuable than the lives of regular people.

and so do doctors prescribing unnessisary opiates.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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> When the money stops coming in, guess what happens? You drop to the status of a boring working person who never took kickbacks to sell opiates? A fate worse than death, I guess. The street dealer is also not likely to get 4 years. That's the point - 40 years was a number picked to illustrate a sentencing discrepancy argument. The fact that a 10x factor seems almost reasonable is the argument. > a street dealer does…

Crikey! If I'd been caught with everything that went through my hands as a small scale dealer I'd be screwed. Over ten years it certainly adds up! Kilograms of methamphetamine, thousands of ecstasy tables, tens of thousands of LSD tabs, a few hundred grams of pharmaceutical grade heroin. Yeah, they don't look favourable upon those sorts of quantities. Fortunately I only got caught with about five days worth of mercha…

Why did you do it?

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

#54
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That just means we should treat low level criminals humanely. Four years is plenty. The thing where decade plus sentences are fairly common is unique in the first world: only in America. It’s barbaric and embarrassing. The science is pretty unambiguous—a high likelihood of being caught and punished is a better deterrent than a low-probability but larger punishment. So I don’t want to see this doctor get a 40-year sen…

Street dealers, "low level" or not, do actually kill their clients. Prison sentences for dealing hard drugs should be in line with prison sentences for murder, otherwise the implication is that the lives of drug users are much less valuable than the lives of regular people.

> Street dealers, "low level" or not, do actually kill their clients.

In much the same sense as people who sell cigarettes do; perhaps we should, therefore, have life without parole for convenience store clerks.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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post #41

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If he saved enough, ha. You'd be surprised at how many doctors making $300k+/yr have less than a couple years' worth of expenses saved up :/

any source for that claim?

Alan Reynolds' book "Income and Wealth".

I mean doctors in particular, but other high income earners in professional areas as well.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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If he saved enough, ha. You'd be surprised at how many doctors making $300k+/yr have less than a couple years' worth of expenses saved up :/

The longer he’s in prison, he’ll be closer to full retirement age, meaning he’ll collect a higher social security benefit (62 is the bare minimum, waiting until 70 gives you the highest monthly amount). He’s essentially already retired now.

True, I merely mean that he may be used to a much higher annual expense than he'll be able to afford in retirement. Which is fine, he ain't gonna starve if he worked that long as a doctor.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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post #56

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The longer he’s in prison, he’ll be closer to full retirement age, meaning he’ll collect a higher social security benefit (62 is the bare minimum, waiting until 70 gives you the highest monthly amount). He’s essentially already retired now.

True, I merely mean that he may be used to a much higher annual expense than he'll be able to afford in retirement. Which is fine, he ain't gonna starve if he worked that long as a doctor.

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Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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Crikey! If I'd been caught with everything that went through my hands as a small scale dealer I'd be screwed. Over ten years it certainly adds up! Kilograms of methamphetamine, thousands of ecstasy tables, tens of thousands of LSD tabs, a few hundred grams of pharmaceutical grade heroin. Yeah, they don't look favourable upon those sorts of quantities. Fortunately I only got caught with about five days worth of mercha…

Why did you do it?

Still trying to work out how to spin that in to a story worth telling.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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If I were Trump, I would make a penal colony on one of our pacific atolls and then drone strike him, that would align with existing executive power. Didn't we declare a "War on Drugs", so that would make drug dealers enemy combatants and subject to tribunals and gitmo. I should have been Alito.

This attitude toward justice is exactly why you're not Alito.

My bad, more of a John Yoo kinda guy.

Re: Doctor Gets 4 Years in Prison for Insys Opioid Kickbacks

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> they are responsible for the death of others Are they? Those others knowingly and voluntarily took those drugs.

Addiction is not voluntary.

Addiction is a possible effect of willingly taking drugs (as the person before you was stating). I'm not saying that people don't have demons and everyone has their own way of coping, but you need to take drugs to be addicted. That first step is taken willfully.
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