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Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by st26 »

txcwpalpha wrote: post #82
st26 wrote: post #81

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C. diff is pretty much only killed by bleach, and not something most people deal with frequently, or you know, ever. These seem like rather special cases to be bringing up.

What? C. diff is one of the most common disease-causing bacterias [1]. Other examples like norovirus or C. perfringens (another spore-forming bacteria responsible for stomach flu) are also among the most common [2]. They aren't special cases at all. 1: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2015/p0225-clostridium-di... 2: https://www.foodsafety.gov/poisoning/causes/bacteriaviruses/...

Huh, I had always heard C. diff was a pretty common presence but very rarely symptomatic.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by DoreenMichele »

st26 wrote: post #92
DoreenMichele wrote: post #83

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Nope.

Dead skin cells & hair is where a lot of dust & dirt in your home begins.

I'm aware that is one source. It absolutely isn't the entire explanation.

Though I have no idea why you are taking me to task here since it was intended as tongue in cheek humor mirroring the famous movie line to the effect that "The only way to win is not to play".

However, if you want to debate this, it is humorous to me due to the element of truth that I essentially never clean, I just don't let things get dirty. But most people don't actually want to have any idea how that can be done because whenever I talk about my personal choices for my life, they feel judged in an ugly way for reasons I cannot fathom.

Not saying it is literally true that you can simply never clean. But you can do a lot more prevention than most people seem to imagine is possible.

And, of course, I have long utilized a few loop holes that will largely go away should I manage to buy a house.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by DoreenMichele »

red75prime wrote: post #89
DoreenMichele wrote: post #36

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The only winning move is to just not let dirt happen to begin with.

Or not to be obsessed with perfect cleanliness.

There is an element of that to my life in a pick your battles kind of way.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by microtonal »

nextos wrote: post #31
hartator wrote: post #22

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I am curious as well what steamer and products you are using?

I use a Kärcher SC3 steam cleaner. It's cheap (~€100) and pretty good. Even the SC2 is decent. As an alternative, Polti high-end ones are excellent. They invented domestic steamers, and I've seen some used at hospitals. The have accessories for e.g. steaming your mattress to get rid of dust mites. I use a Miele C3 Silence vacuum cleaner. It's the cheapest (~€220) Miele vacuum cleaner that has top (A class in EU) filt…

I use a Kärcher SC3 steam cleaner. It's cheap (~€100) and pretty good. Even the SC2 is decent.

I'd like to add a me-too. We bought a Kärcher SC3 to remove old wallpaper when we moved to another apartment (IIRC the price of hiring a steamer for a couple of days made buying one attractive). We use it now to clean our tiled floors, the bathroom, etc. and it has been excellent. The hot steam removes most stains without much effort, it works without detergents, and it is far less work than mopping the floor.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by hueving »

benbreen wrote: post #33

I vividly remember my first summer job, working at a grocery store deli when I was in high school. My job was basically to spray down surfaces with some kind of industrial version of Windex. Within a week I had developed a scratchy cough, and after two weeks I had completely lost my voice! I was in the privileged position of being able to quit the job and go on to college, but if I'd kept working with those chemicals…

It just sounds like you caught something at work...

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by vwbl8s6fgeo »

samirm wrote: post #51
forgotmypw wrote: post #32

Our bodies are 4-billion-year-old spaghetti code that gets added to every time it runs. They have been evolving all this time for exposure to a very particular range of chemicals. Every time you introduce a new chemical into the mix that has only been in our environment for less than 100 years, you are testing your body's ability to deal with them for the first time.

loving the analogy

except that the genetic code is highly modular with multiple hierarchies, we just don't know how to read it yet

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by uxcolumbo »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #93
st26 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dead skin cells & hair is where a lot of dust & dirt in your home begins.

I'm aware that is one source. It absolutely isn't the entire explanation. Though I have no idea why you are taking me to task here since it was intended as tongue in cheek humor mirroring the famous movie line to the effect that "The only way to win is not to play". However, if you want to debate this, it is humorous to me due to the element of truth that I essentially never clean, I just don't let things get dirty.…

So how do prevent things from getting dirty?

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by DoreenMichele »

uxcolumbo wrote: post #99
DoreenMichele wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm aware that is one source. It absolutely isn't the entire explanation. Though I have no idea why you are taking me to task here since it was intended as tongue in cheek humor mirroring the famous movie line to the effect that "The only way to win is not to play". However, if you want to debate this, it is humorous to me due to the element of truth that I essentially never clean, I just don't let things get dirty.…

So how do prevent things from getting dirty?

1. Spartan life.

Dust is created by not just hair and skin but all upholstered items, cloth items, books, particle board etc. The less of that you have, the less dust and dirt you have.

2. No deep frying.

It's the single nastiest way to cook and coats the entire kitchen in grease. It also is terrible for your health.

3. Keep your own hair short and do a lot of walking.

The lymphatic system is powered by motion. It is how the body takes out the trash. If you are clean and healthy, you leave less detritus all over the house.

4. Make it a habit.

You just get good at not letting things happen because it takes so much less effort to just not get dirty than to clean it up. Once you have a certain awareness, you just don't do things that lead to dirt.

5. Loopholes.

I currently live in an SRO. So I have neither a kitchen nor a bathroom of my own. There are facilities down the hall and management cleans them about three times a week. If I buy a house, I will have to do some cleaning that I can currently skip due to not having private facilities of my own.

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