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Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by dghughes »

nextos wrote: post #12

I clean with a steamer. It doesn't project particles, and it's extremely good at disinfecting. I also use a vacuum cleaner with exceptionally low dust re-emission. And an air purifier. The only "chemicals" I use are an extremely mild lactic acid based cleaner and a pre/probiotic on toilets and kitchen tops. And I don't use any fragrances anywhere. My allergy problems have disappeared. I really recommend this approach…

I recall reading an article a few years about the aerosolization of minerals in the water vapour and how inhaling them cause lung damage.

It could have been a tabloid-ish thing I don't recall where I read it but I often think about it when I am enjoying a hot shower.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by jaggederest »

Soapcalc and make your own soap: http://soapcalc.net/calc/soapcalcwp.asp

This is what I do. I have a nice batch of coconut/castor/olive/cocoa soap curing under the sink. It's literally just water, vegetable oils, and some sodium hydroxide.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by raverbashing »

kerkeslager wrote: post #65
mirkules wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the company's documentation it is basically (hah!) a pH 11-12.5 solution of sodium hydroxide, aka lye: http://phurwater.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/MSDS-Cleaner... You can call this water insomuch that it contains water (kind of like wine)

So basically, you can pay $22 to have them mix an unknown amount of NaOH into 32oz of water, or you can buy 5 lbs of NaOH off Amazon for $19[1] and mix it into water yourself. A lifetime supply of "phurwater" for less than the price of a single bottle, without even shopping around--this was the first search result on DuckDuckGo. What incredible crap. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Grade-Sodium-Hydroxide-Micro-Beads/dp...

"A fool is born every minute..."

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by mirimir »

Just about all bathroom and window cleaners cause shortness of breath for me. Maybe it's because I smoked tobacco for so many years. So I use diluted vinegar on windows, and baking soda plus dish detergent on surfaces. And diluted citric acid for lime, because it's faster than acetic acid.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by Karunamon »

kerkeslager wrote: post #65
mirkules wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the company's documentation it is basically (hah!) a pH 11-12.5 solution of sodium hydroxide, aka lye: http://phurwater.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/MSDS-Cleaner... You can call this water insomuch that it contains water (kind of like wine)

So basically, you can pay $22 to have them mix an unknown amount of NaOH into 32oz of water, or you can buy 5 lbs of NaOH off Amazon for $19[1] and mix it into water yourself. A lifetime supply of "phurwater" for less than the price of a single bottle, without even shopping around--this was the first search result on DuckDuckGo. What incredible crap. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Grade-Sodium-Hydroxide-Micro-Beads/dp...

200 PPM if their MSDS[1] is to be believed, but damn. This is the best marketing I've ever seen for the most inane product this side of a dodgy ICO.

[1]: http://phurwater.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/MSDS-Cleaner...

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Post by JonathonW »

purplezooey wrote: post #75

But it doesn't say which cleaners were tested. For example perhaps Simple Green is not at the same level as Formula 409.

The study [1] wasn't testing specific cleaners; it was a long-term study following people who use varying amounts of cleaning products in day-to-day use (those who don't clean, those who clean on a regular basis at home, and those who clean as an occupation).

[1] Full text: http://www.thoracic.org/about/newsroom/press-releases/resour...

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by [deleted] »

nextos wrote: post #12

I clean with a steamer. It doesn't project particles, and it's extremely good at disinfecting. I also use a vacuum cleaner with exceptionally low dust re-emission. And an air purifier. The only "chemicals" I use are an extremely mild lactic acid based cleaner and a pre/probiotic on toilets and kitchen tops. And I don't use any fragrances anywhere. My allergy problems have disappeared. I really recommend this approach…

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Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Post by st26 »

refurb wrote: post #67
sizzle wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you believe ammonia/chemical based cleaners are not harmful when inhaled from normal day to day use? I say that as someone who majored in human bio and can only imagine that inhaling these chemicals will have adverse effects on your health.

Ammonia is such a strong irritant you'd never be able to inhale enough (willingly) to cause systemic toxicity. We also have a lot of info around the effects of ammonia. The body is very good at eliminating it. Heck, doctor's use ammonium chloride to acidify a patients urine. Could you inhale enough to irritate your lungs? Sure. But it's not going to cancer or something.

Could you inhale enough to irritate your lungs? Sure. But it's not going to cancer or something.

I think we're assuming here that it's something like asbestos lung cancer. Asbestos is not a poison, just an irritant. Presumably nobody is getting poisoned here; chronic irritation is triggering problems.

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