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Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Our bodies are 4-billion-year-old spaghetti code that gets added to every time it runs. They have been evolving all this time for exposure to a very particular range of chemicals. Every time you introduce a new chemical into the mix that has only been in our environment for less than 100 years, you are testing your body's ability to deal with them for the first time.

loving the analogy

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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I clean with a steamer. It doesn't project particles, and it's extremely good at disinfecting. I also use a vacuum cleaner with exceptionally low dust re-emission. And an air purifier. The only "chemicals" I use are an extremely mild lactic acid based cleaner and a pre/probiotic on toilets and kitchen tops. And I don't use any fragrances anywhere. My allergy problems have disappeared. I really recommend this approach…

Care to point to Amazon(or other sites) product pages? May be useful for some of us looking to buy.

My friend started a company that sells high pH water for cleaning/disinfecting. https://phurwater.com/science/

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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considering some people ingest vinegar for blood sugar regulation, seems like a safe way to go

I could imagine that inhaling into lungs might have a different impact from swallowing into the digestive tract. People doing blood sugar regulation are drinking, not snorting, vinegar, right?

Yes, it's very different when a child swallows an M&M to when a child inhales an M&M.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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Windex sells lactic acid cleaner readily available in stores. It's the yellow stuff, it looks like pee but it does the job.

Is that the same as windex vinegar? That’s what we use as our low-level cleaning agent.

Vinegar is acetic acid.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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As a former chemist, call me suspicious of these findings. Can cleaners be an irritant to the lungs? Of course. Inhaling a lot of things can be an irritant. Most cleaners that consumers use are surfactants sometimes mixed with alkylbenzonium disinfectants (in very low concentration). Even cleaners that are ammonia based aren't harmful. Now on the professional side, I could believe there is risk. Some of those chemica…

Why do you believe ammonia/chemical based cleaners are not harmful when inhaled from normal day to day use?

I say that as someone who majored in human bio and can only imagine that inhaling these chemicals will have adverse effects on your health.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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As a former chemist, call me suspicious of these findings. Can cleaners be an irritant to the lungs? Of course. Inhaling a lot of things can be an irritant. Most cleaners that consumers use are surfactants sometimes mixed with alkylbenzonium disinfectants (in very low concentration). Even cleaners that are ammonia based aren't harmful. Now on the professional side, I could believe there is risk. Some of those chemica…

As another former chemist, I just wanted to agree with this statement.

And for industrial cleaners, read the MSDS and act accordingly. It's not that hard to find the correct version of masks and gloves for the task you do everyday.

Re: Cleaning sprays have an impact on lung health comparable to cigarettes

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As a former chemist, call me suspicious of these findings. Can cleaners be an irritant to the lungs? Of course. Inhaling a lot of things can be an irritant. Most cleaners that consumers use are surfactants sometimes mixed with alkylbenzonium disinfectants (in very low concentration). Even cleaners that are ammonia based aren't harmful. Now on the professional side, I could believe there is risk. Some of those chemica…

Why do you believe ammonia/chemical based cleaners are not harmful when inhaled from normal day to day use? I say that as someone who majored in human bio and can only imagine that inhaling these chemicals will have adverse effects on your health.

I'd assume because our bodies have a pretty big buffer store to avoid pH effects, and most ammonia based derivatives would be concentrated in the external mucus membranes not the lungs, at least that's most inhaled acids work, I'm not really a bases guy.

I mean if you're inhaling anything with benzene rings on a regular basis, you should really wear a mask and so not do that, but inhaling 2x your daily dose of surfactant once a week is probably fine for the home cleaner. Skip the BBQ that weekend and it probably balances out.

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