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Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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I used to watch some of his investment tutorials on youtube as well as other videos. For someone called the "most hated man in America", he actually seemed like a nice person. I also enjoyed his trollish sense of humor.

>he actually seemed like a nice person. I also enjoyed his trollish sense of humor. I see where you're coming from and don't want to get pedantic, but isn't as trollish sense of humor by definition at least a little mean-spirited?

The funniest comedy routines I have ever seen by the most prominent comedians are almost always disparaging of a person, group, or idea held dear by many people. Simmer on that and ask yourself if mean-spiritedness really matters in this context.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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Here's what we just witnessed. 1. Companies were cornering certain drugs, then hiking their prices up significantly. Shkrelli did the same thing (but stated he was willing to give it free for anyone who asked). Note, that this is not illegal in any way, but news was all over it and citizens were pissed. 2. Shkrelli, being outspoken, became the focus of this issue. He dug a hole for himself, but concerning drug prices…

Don't forget 3b) had to go through hundreds of jurors while the news/twitter laughed about people saying they could not be impartial because he "had a punchable face" and "disrespected the Wu Tang Clan". Better hope you don't say anything too mean on Twitter and ever end up in court :(

In the defense of the potential juror, you cannot disrespect the Wu-Tang Clan. They'll banish you to the 36 chambers.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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This is insane. Sentencing guidelines for his crime was 0-12 months. He didn't even lose his investors any money.

not according to the Judge who cited Federal Law to determine he did incur 10.4 million in losses for the investors [1], it's complicated even though he did pay the investors back after they became suspicious. My understanding is this, say you leave your ferrari at the valet and the valet driver took it on a joy ride and returns it undamaged, you didn't lose anything, but the valet driver did break the law.

1. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-shkreli/pharma-...

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

#145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t “extort sick poor people”, he extorted insurance companies. If you couldn’t afford his drugs, he was offering them for free.

And schools, and other places which, by law, were required to have Epi-pens on hand.

I think you are confused, Shkreli's company owned retrophin, the toxoplasmosis drug, not epi-pen's.

And as the parent commenter said, he was charging insurance companies alone, and claimed the drug was only used by a few hundred people.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>At the same time, people can get hyped up about what they read in internet tabloids or are told through the media, and politicians will be forced to respond to that. This is spot on. That gives a heck of a lot of power to news organizations. That's scary when thinking of the quality and journalistic integrity of many, if not most news organizations. People react much more strongly to what they read/watch/listen to o…

I‘d say it gives a heck of a lot of power to influential Twitter users, the press just seems to react to them nowadays.

Yes, it doesn't help that most of the news is incredibly lazy and very easy to manipulate.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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post #42
post #20

Here's what we just witnessed. 1. Companies were cornering certain drugs, then hiking their prices up significantly. Shkrelli did the same thing (but stated he was willing to give it free for anyone who asked). Note, that this is not illegal in any way, but news was all over it and citizens were pissed. 2. Shkrelli, being outspoken, became the focus of this issue. He dug a hole for himself, but concerning drug prices…

Don't forget 3b) had to go through hundreds of jurors while the news/twitter laughed about people saying they could not be impartial because he "had a punchable face" and "disrespected the Wu Tang Clan". Better hope you don't say anything too mean on Twitter and ever end up in court :(

It's more, "don't be an asshole". Which I feel is quite good advice for anyone. People are less willing to help people who are assholes to others.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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He was so obnoxious that I guess it is easy to be happy about that, but he was so small time in the grand scheme of things. But nearly no bankers responsible for the 2008 financial crisis ever went to jail: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/how-wal...

Like it or hate it, this is what the SEC does. You think Martha Stewart deserved jail time for making 50k in an insider trading scheme she didn't really care about?

The SEC finds very public cases and then brings the hammer down in order to act a deterrent. Martin Shkreli broke the law, something he didn't have to do. It isn't like it was mob justice and some hugely biased jury convicted him of all the crimes he was committed of without thought. The jury by all accounts fairly deliberated his actions and convicted him of crimes that he did, while letting him off for crimes he didn't do.

Then all Shkreli had to do was show some remorese and kiss the ring a little bit, but he continued to be a troll and mock the justice system. He downplayed his crimes literally minutes after being convicted of them, which showed a lack of remorse (and maybe honestly so, but the justice system doesn't like that). He continued to be a troll, including the whole Hillary Clinton incident, many of these statements used against him in sentencing.

This isn't a case of the tall blades of grass getting cut first. It's a case where we have a subjective justice system that doesn't want to be mocked while it is doing it's job. Shkreli went out of his way to mock it, he went out of his way to mock the SEC, all the while he actually did commit a crime. Yes, it is a witch hunt in that the SEC will throw the book at some people while letting other people who committed worse crimes off the hook (Phil Mickelson vs Martha Stewart), but that how any limited investigative body works. If you don't want to be a target of a witch hunt, don't break the law. And if you do, kiss the ring. I'm not convinced it is a huge indictment of our society that people who break the law all the while trolling everybody get unfairly harsh punishments, though I admit it is unfair in the sense that life as a whole is unfair.

Re: Martin Shkreli has been sentenced to seven years in prison

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was arguing the wrong topic; whether or not Shkrelli got a just sentence. That's what we are supposed to be talking about; not the fact that it's legal to monopolize a drug then pursue monopolistic pricing practices on said drug. That's what Shkrelli was infamous for, not fraud. I may or may not agree with the justness of the sentence, but that wasn't the thrust of my argument, therefore the distraction.

No, you're arguing the wrong topic. The linked article is about the outcome of the trial that occurred. Your 5-point "here's what happened" muddled the relationship between this sentencing and other reasons Shkreli is a public figure. And thus the "here's what happened" attitude is exactly false; what happened was a petulant fraudster got a middle-of-the-road sentence for exactly the crime he was on trial for.

You're discussing the latest chapter, I'm discussing the whole book.

I'm including all the "Pharmabro" chapters over the last couple of years. Google his name. He isn't famous for fraud.

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